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I can see you came here to help me collect some data; laugh
so eventually we can figure out how all of the corporations compare to each other!

All you have to do to help this project is post the results of your games into this thread!
Simply tell us which corporations were played, and the final score for each corporation. Recently, we started collecting stats about milestones/awards as well, so please also include which milestones/awards were claimed/funded in your game. Thanks!
Also, don't forget to mention if you played the standard game or the corporate era!
If you want to, you can include the number of generations as well, but please only do so if you are sure it is correct.

For reference, here is a sample form to report games:
Please order the corporations from 1st place to last place, and milestones/awards as listed on the board, left to right. This helps me a lot when entering the information.
Sample form wrote:
[2p/3p/4p/5p], [Corporate Era/Standard Game], [Standard map/Hellas/Elysium], [Draft/No draft], [N generations]

[Corporation #1] - [Score]
[Corporation #2] - [Score]
[Corporation #3] - [Score]
[Corporation #4] - [Score]
[Corporation #4] - [Score]


Milestones: [Milestone 1], [Milestone 2], [Milestone 3]
Awards: [Award 1], [Award 2], [Award 3]


And BOOM!, in one or two weeks we'll have stats for a hundred games and know which corporation rules the planet! (The red one)

As we go, I'll update this thread to show you some sweet charts, displaying the win rate and average score for each corporation!
Once we reach enough submissions, I'll sort the data by player count, so we can see how the number of players influences certain corporations.


Thanks for your help, Martians!

Sebastian,
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(As a side note, a hundred games won't be enough to get reliable data, but it will be a good start)


Here are the current results (last updated February 11, 2018, 23:10 UTC+1):
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2 player stats:

Score Average Score(1st) Score(2nd) #Players
Standard Game 91.32 97.57 85.07 28
Extended Game 105.61 114.89 97.20 478
Total 104.82 113.79 96.64 520

Game length Average Minimum Maximum Median
Standard Game 10.00 10 14 11
Extended Game 13.36 10 17 13
Total 13.30 10 17 13


Win rate Avg Score Avg position #Games
Beginner 0.600 120.20 2.200 5
Credicor 0.583 113.83 1.500 48
Ecoline 0.486 114.81 1.568 37
Helion 0.564 106.33 1.527 55
Interplanetary 0.512 103.53 1.570 43
Inventrix 0.343 105.14 1.800 35
Mining Guild 0.510 105.82 1.480 49
PhoboLog 0.521 104.69 1.479 48
Saturn Systems 0.533 105.87 1.511 45
Teractor 0.500 111.39 1.607 28
Tharsis Rep. 0.590 113.18 1.513 39
Thorgate 0.455 100.20 1.545 44
UNMI 0.348 106.13 1.739 23


Milestone frequency: Terraformer 72.73% Mayor 59.09% Gardener 71.82% Builder 75.45% Planner 20.91%
Diversifier 77.27% Tactician 59.09% Polar Explorer 54.55% Energizer 54.55% Rim Settler 50.00%
Generalist 59.38% Specialist 68.75% Ecologist 56.25% Tycoon 56.25% Legend 56.25%

Award frequency: Landlord 56.36% Banker 52.73% Scientist 65.45% Thermalist 63.64% Miner 40.91%
Cultivator 50.00% Magnate 31.82% Space Baron 61.36% Excentric 72.73% Contractor 50.00%
Celebrity 46.88% Industrialist 50.00% Desert Settler 59.38% Estate Dealer 53.13% Benefactor 68.75%



3 player stats:

Average score 1st 2nd 3rd #Players
Standard Game 67.22 76.33 65.67 59.67 9
Extended Game 78.88 88.23 78.80 69.75 429
Total 78.53 87.83 78.43 69.44 441

Game length Average Minimum Maximum Median
Standard Game 10.33 9 12 11
Extended Game 11.13 8 15 11
Total 11.12 8 15 11


Win rate Avg Score Avg position #Games
Beginner 0.167 77.917 2.667 12
Credicor 0.375 80.875 2.031 32
Ecoline 0.383 81.468 1.872 47
Helion 0.152 74.174 2.326 46
Interplanetary 0.324 78.765 1.853 34
Inventrix 0.280 75.280 2.160 25
Mining Guild 0.333 80.231 1.962 39
PhoboLog 0.303 80.394 2.000 33
Saturn Systems 0.488 85.317 1.671 41
Teractor 0.361 78.944 2.056 36
Tharsis Rep. 0.450 81.350 1.800 40
Thorgate 0.367 74.633 2.033 30
UNMI 0.143 71.762 2.429 21


Milestone frequency: Terraformer 54.55% Mayor 72.73% Gardener 66.67% Builder 83.84% Planner 22.22%
Diversifier 70.59% Tactician 35.29% Polar Explorer 82.35% Energizer 58.82% Rim Settler 47.06%
Generalist 83.33% Specialist 50.00% Ecologist 83.33% Tycoon 16.67% Legend 66.67%

Award frequency: Landlord 43.43% Banker 53.54% Scientist 72.73% Thermalist 58.59% Miner 56.57%
Cultivator 70.59% Magnate 52.94% Space Baron 52.94% Excentric 47.06% Contractor 41.18%
Celebrity 66.67% Industrialist 50.00% Desert Settler 50.00% Estate Dealer 50.00% Benefactor 83.33%




4 player stats:

Average score 1st 2nd 3rd 4th #Players
Standard Game 62.73 77.00 64.00 57.82 52.09 44
Extended Game 66.93 76.94 69.84 63.45 57.42 328
Total 66.29 76.74 68.97 62.67 56.72 376

Game length Average Minimum Maximum Median
Standard Game 8.00 7 8 7.5
Extended Game 10.18 8 15 10
Total 10.10 7 15 10


Win rate Avg Score Avg position #Games
Beginner 0.000 59.00 3.059 17
Credicor 0.207 65.86 2.931 29
Ecoline 0.455 71.52 1.932 44
Helion 0.121 63.03 2.788 33
Interplanetary 0.231 69.81 2.385 26
Inventrix 0.152 66.76 2.788 33
Mining Guild 0.385 69.15 2.346 26
PhoboLog 0.125 68.03 2.656 32
Saturn Systems 0.444 68.04 2.074 27
Teractor 0.111 62.33 3.056 18
Tharsis Rep. 0.395 70.30 2.000 43
Thorgate 0.125 60.38 3.167 24
UNMI 0.250 68.10 2.600 20


Milestone frequency: Terraformer 51.92% Mayor 75.00% Gardener 63.46% Builder 86.54% Planner 21.15%
Diversifier 80.00% Tactician 40.00% Polar Explorer 40.00% Energizer 80.00% Rim Settler 60.00%
Generalist 44.44% Specialist 66.67% Ecologist 100.00% Tycoon 22.22% Legend 55.56%

Award frequency: Landlord 36.54% Banker 61.54% Scientist 69.23% Thermalist 71.15% Miner 46.15%
Cultivator 40.00% Magnate 80.00% Space Baron 80.00% Excentric 60.00% Contractor 20.00%
Celebrity 55.56% Industrialist 11.11% Desert Settler 77.78% Estate Dealer 55.56% Benefactor 88.89%



5 player stats:

Average score 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th #Players
Standard Game 50.96 60.80 56.40 51.40 45.80 40.40 25
Extended Game 58.31 68.51 62.89 57.97 53.84 48.08 190
Total 57.45 67.60 62.12 57.21 52.91 47.19 215

Game length Average Minimum Maximum Median
Standard Game 6.00 6 6 6
Extended Game 9.45 7 15 9
Total 9.33 6 15 9


Win rate Avg Score Avg position #Games
Beginner 0.125 49.125 3.500 8
Credicor 0.077 59.154 3.385 13
Ecoline 0.333 62.667 2.167 21
Helion 0.235 56.176 3.353 17
Interplanetary 0.200 54.500 3.000 10
Inventrix 0.000 54.200 3.267 15
Mining Guild 0.111 56.722 3.000 18
PhoboLog 0.182 56.455 3.318 22
Saturn Systems 0.318 60.773 2.545 22
Teractor 0.222 59.556 2.778 9
Tharsis Rep. 0.250 59.450 2.650 20
Thorgate 0.217 56.826 3.261 23
UNMI 0.133 53.467 3.233 15


Milestone frequency: Terraformer 18.75% Mayor 75.00% Gardener 100.00% Builder 81.25% Planner 25.00%
Diversifier 80.00% Tactician 80.00% Polar Explorer 40.00% Energizer 100.00% Rim Settler 0.00%
Generalist 66.67% Specialist 66.67% Ecologist 66.67% Tycoon 0.00% Legend 100.00%

Award frequency: Landlord 43.75% Banker 56.25% Scientist 50.00% Thermalist 75.00% Miner 75.00%
Cultivator 40.00% Magnate 60.00% Space Baron 40.00% Excentric 80.00% Contractor 80.00%
Celebrity 66.67% Industrialist 66.67% Desert Settler 33.33% Estate Dealer 33.33% Benefactor 100.00%
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Re: (Help needed!) Let's collect some data and figure out each corporation's win rate!
Well we have only played 2 games so far and I have lost both of them to my GF. Even in our learning game we each started with regular corporations instead of the beginner ones. Here is what we have each had so far:

Game 1:
Me - Interplanetare 57
GF - Mining Guild 77

Game 2
Me - Ecoline 89
GF - Interplanetare 104

We both really like this game and hopefully I will get better at itshake
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I can see you came here to help me collect some data; laugh
Oh how did you know!?

I got my own copy at Spiel yesterday, and I already prepared a (super simple) "stat sheet" to record my games, so I am totally prepared for your request. Now I just need to nag my gaming friends to play the game all the time! meeple
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Bastinator1 wrote:
I can see you came here to help me collect some data; laugh
Oh how did you know!?

I got my own copy at Spiel yesterday, and I already prepared a (super simple) "stat sheet" to record my games, so I am totally prepared for your request. Now I just need to nag my gaming friends to play the game all the time! meeple
It's a fantastic game, so it shouldn't be difficult to convince them! (Or if they refuse, you just get some new ones devil)


Thanks for reporting your two games, Mike!
Sorry you lost, but you'll surely do better next time!

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Oh hey, I totally forgot this:

It's clearly a good idea if you guys also report whether you played with the corporate era cards.
I suspect the scores might be quite different.
 
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Might want to add player count as there is only so much Mars to be Terraformed. (9 Oceans, 14 Oxygens, and 19 Temperatures) = 42 TR to be gained in every games. More players = lower scores, smaller engines. Less players = higher scores, bigger engines.
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Crikrunner wrote:
Might want to add player count as there is only so much Mars to be Terraformed. (9 Oceans, 14 Oxygens, and 19 Temperatures) = 42 TR to be gained in every games. More players = lower scores, smaller engines. Less players = higher scores, bigger engines.
We can simply deduce the amount of players from the amount of corporations/scores reported for a game.
I assumed nobody would report games in such an unusual fashion that the player count would not be obvious.

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Game 3 Info:

2 players using Advanced Corporations but we did not add in the Corporate Era cards yet.



Me - Tharsis Republic 102
GF - UNMI 94

I finally got a win

Hopefully tonight we will get in a 4-5 player game!
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with so much details (number of player, CE or not and so on), Your stats will always be very parcellar.
No need to record points...
Just record the number of win for each corpo. You should have a map.

And, If the Fryx brother have worked well, you should obtain a quite equal score for each corpo ;)
 
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Two games:

- Thorgate 109 - Beginner 73
- Inventrix 88 - Credicor 87 - Beginner 86 - Saturn Systems 71
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Duinhir wrote:
with so much details (number of player, CE or not and so on), Your stats will always be very parcellar.
No need to record points...
Just record the number of win for each corpo. You should have a map.

And, If the Fryx brother have worked well, you should obtain a quite equal score for each corpo
I am aware of the problem, but unfortunately it's impossible to avoid.
What kind of "map" do you have in mind?

As for the scores, I'd like to record them to see how player number etc. influences scores, and to see whether some companies have a weird distribution.


@Sébastien A:
Thanks for reporting your games!
I assume you did not use the corporate era cards?


Thanks a lot to you too, Mike! Nicely done!


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No Corporate Era

Tharsis Rep: 119
PhoboLog: 74
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What kind of "map" do you have in mind?
I think Matthieu mistranslated, and was probably referring to a graph.

Bastinator1 wrote:
I assume you did not use the corporate era cards?
We actually did use the Corporate Era cards in both games. Every one in our group agrees that the generic beginner corporations are quite well balanced against the named ones.

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Finally got in a couple of 5-player games:

In this game we used the Corporate Era cards:
Terri - Ecoline 71
Me - Tharsis Republic 58
Joe - UNMI 44
Josh - Teractor 36
Deb - Interplanetary Cinematics 34


In this game we used the Corporate Era cards and Drafting Variant:
Terri - Satirn Systems 81
Deb - Inventrix 64
Me - Tharsis Republic 63
Zach - UNMI 57
Scott - Phobolog 56

After that last game, I think we will always use the drafting variant. It took a little longer but certainly worth it.
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After that last game, I think we will always use the drafting variant. It took a little longer but certainly worth it.
Yeah, the draft variant is sweet!

Thanks again for reporting your games, I think we are getting pretty close to usable results already!


(Also, I just played this game:
Inventrix 103, UNMI 91, Corporate Era, no draft)


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Without Corporate Era, without draft
75 Helion - 1st play
65 Ecoline - 1st play
51 Credicor - 1st play
48 Inventrix - 1st play


With Corporate Era, without draft
68 Thorgate
60 UNMI
57 Tharsis Republic
57 Satrun Systems - 1st play
36 PhoboLog - 1st play
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Standard game:

Beginner 79
Helion 78

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Beginner 79
Helion 78
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I don't have exact stats and score but we played 7 games (all corp era, 6 4 players, and 1 5 players, 1 was with draft)

Game usually end between turn 8 and 10 (first game was 14)

Ecoline: 3 wins
earth tag one: 1 win (draft)
jovian corp: 1 win
mining corp: 2 wins

at the moment we feel Ecoline is the strongest corp (almost sure to get gardener, and huge shot at the mayor and you're not card dependant)

Tharsis republic, Mining and the one that you can pay 3 to boost terraform all seem quite strong. (altough this last one never won it often finish second)

all other seem mediocre at best. (assuming at least 4 players)
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Standard game :

Tharsis Republic: 64
Mining Guild: 61
Inventrix: 59
Phobolog: 41
Helio: 41
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Thanks for reporting your games, guys!

It is much appreciated!


At the moment, Tharsis Republic seems to outperform the others, but of course the sample size is still small and some corporations don't have more than 2 games reported yet.
I should be able to create a table tomorrow, so you can also see the results we have so far.

Keep up the good work!

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With corporate era and draft

United Nations Mars Initiative: 53
Ecoline: 47
Thorgate: 47
Beginner Corporation: 45
Beginner Corporation: 43
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Thanks for your report, Charles!

So far we have 49 results. However, there are still several companies that haven't been played more than 2 or 3 times. shake
For the moment, this means I can only give you some general stats:

First of all, the difference between the Standard Game and the Corporate Era doesn't seem very large.
The difference mostly stems from single results skewing the stats (For instance, I was the only one to report corporate era 2p games so far, but I spend much more time on this forum than most, and we have been playing this game for over a month now, so the scores in my playgroup are probably above average)
5p games are the only ones where we have somewhat reliable results for BOTH variants. There, the avg points are 54,5 (standard game) and 53,26(extended game) so far.
Overall, it does NOT seem like the corporate era makes a huge difference in final scores, so I included results from both variants for now, until we have more data available to seperate them.

However, the number of players affects final scores a lot. Needless to say, more players mean fewer points:


Avg score (2p): 90,875 (100,63 to 81,13)
Avg score (3p): -
Avg score (4p): 71,38
Avg score (5p): 53,72 (67,4 - 58 - 54 - 47,2 - 42)

Also, here are the average points for the only corporations that have at least 3 results in a 5p game so far:

Avg score PhoboLog(5p): 44,33
Avg score Tharsis Republic(5p): 60,5
Avg score UNMI(5p): 53,5

At the moment, PhoboLog seems like the clear loser, and Tharsis Republic the clear winner. It should be obvious that Tharsis is easier to play than PhoboLog though, and all results should be taken with a grain of salt considering the small sample size


Thanks everyone for posting their results so far, I hope you will keep doing so!
We are still in need of way more results before we get a clearer picture!
Sebastian

(PS: I played another 2p game with Inventrix:
Inventrix 112, Saturn Systems 93, corporate era with draft)
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Standard game:

Phobolog 77
Beginner 76

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With Corporate Era, without draft
111 Mining Guild
90 Satrun Systems
84 Credicor - 1st play
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