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Hey you!
You over there! surprise
I can see you came here to help me collect some data; laugh
so eventually we can figure out how all of the corporations compare to each other!

All you have to do to help this project is post the results of your games into this thread!
Simply tell us which corporations were played, and the final score for each corporation. Recently, we started collecting stats about milestones/awards as well, so please also include which milestones/awards were claimed/funded in your game. Thanks!
Also, don't forget to mention if you played the standard game or the corporate era!
If you want to, you can include the number of generations as well, but please only do so if you are sure it is correct.

For reference, here is a sample form to report games:
Sample form wrote:
[2p/3p/4p/5p], [Corporate Era/Standard Game], [Draft/No draft], [N generations]

[Corporation #1] - [Score]
[Corporation #2] - [Score]
[Corporation #3] - [Score]
[Corporation #4] - [Score]
[Corporation #4] - [Score]


Milestones: [Milestone 1], [Milestone 2], [Milestone 3]
Awards: [Award 1], [Award 2], [Award 3]

Please list the milestones/awards in the order they appear on the board.


And BOOM!, in one or two weeks we'll have stats for a hundred games and know which corporation rules the planet! (The red one)

As we go, I'll update this thread to show you some sweet charts, displaying the win rate and average score for each corporation!
Once we reach enough submissions, I'll sort the data by player count, so we can see how the number of players influences certain corporations.


Thanks for your help, Martians!

Sebastian,
Forum Ninja ninja

(As a side note, a hundred games won't be enough to get reliable data, but it will be a good start)


Here are the current results (last updated Apr 25, 2017, 17:53 UTC):
Bastinator1 wrote:
2 player stats:

Score Average Score(1st) Score(2nd) #Players Average game length(#Generations)
Standard Game 92,31 99,00 85,62 26
Extended Game 107,31 118,17 96,46 118
Total 104,60 114,71 94,50 144

Game length Average Minimum Maximum Median
Standard Game N/A N/A N/A N/A
Extended Game 13,96 10 17 14
Total 13,96 10 17 14


Win rate Avg Score Avg position #Games
Beginner 0,400 84,80 1,600 5
Credicor 0,636 114,73 1,364 11
Ecoline 0,667 113,56 1,333 9
Helion 0,615 111,23 1,385 13
Interplanetary 0,429 93,00 1,571 14
Inventrix 0,364 97,36 1,636 11
Mining Guild 0,500 101,08 1,500 12
PhoboLog 0,333 101,00 1,667 12
Saturn Systems 0,688 110,69 1,313 16
Teractor 0,600 122,60 1,400 5
Tharsis Rep. 0,636 112,09 1,364 11
Thorgate 0,375 99,81 1,625 16
UNMI 0,222 99,67 1,778 9


Milestone frequency: Terraformer 67,65% Mayor 55,88% Gardener 58,82% Builder 91,18% Planner 26,47%
Award frequency: Landlord 58,82% Banker 67,65% Scientist 73,53% Thermalist 52,94% Miner 41,18%



3 player stats:

Average score 1st 2nd 3rd #Players
Standard Game 67,22 76,33 65,67 59,67 9
Extended Game 78,62 86,90 78,90 70,06 147
Total 77,96 86,29 78,13 69,46 156

Game length Average Minimum Maximum Median
Standard Game 10,33 9 12 10
Extended Game 11,36 9 15 11
Total 11,28 9 15 11


Win rate Avg Score Avg position #Games
Beginner 0,222 76,778 2,222 9
Credicor 0,333 76,500 1,917 12
Ecoline 0,273 83,091 1,818 11
Helion 0,111 76,167 2,333 18
Interplanetary 0,357 75,786 1,786 14
Inventrix 0,400 79,100 2,100 10
Mining Guild 0,357 80,429 2,000 14
PhoboLog 0,200 83,200 2,100 10
Saturn Systems 0,538 84,308 1,692 13
Teractor 0,375 72,813 2,125 16
Tharsis Rep. 0,600 76,100 1,600 10
Thorgate 0,385 76,846 2,000 13
UNMI 0,167 72,833 2,333 6


Milestone frequency: Terraformer 62,50% Mayor 75,00% Gardener 53,13% Builder 75,00% Planner 34,38%
Award frequency: Landlord 43,75% Banker 46,88% Scientist 81,25% Thermalist 62,50% Miner 43,75%



4 player stats:

Average score 1st 2nd 3rd 4th #Players
Standard Game 62,88 78,10 63,90 57,70 51,80 40
Extended Game 64,06 73,74 66,29 61,32 54,90 124
Total 63,77 74,80 65,71 60,44 54,15 164

Game length Average Minimum Maximum Median
Standard Game 8,00 8 8 8
Extended Game 10,50 9 15 10
Total 10,37 8 15 10


Win rate Avg Score Avg position #Games
Beginner 0,000 58,57 3,071 14
Credicor 0,286 68,29 2,786 14
Ecoline 0,444 69,28 1,722 18
Helion 0,214 61,71 2,643 14
Interplanetary 0,500 69,13 1,875 8
Inventrix 0,056 59,83 3,278 18
Mining Guild 0,429 64,36 2,143 14
PhoboLog 0,000 72,20 2,200 5
Saturn Systems 0,273 63,91 2,364 11
Teractor 0,125 58,25 2,875 8
Tharsis Rep. 0,429 68,38 1,810 21
Thorgate 0,100 52,10 3,200 10
UNMI 0,111 61,56 2,889 9


Milestone frequency: Terraformer 45,00% Mayor 70,00% Gardener 60,00% Builder 95,00% Planner 30,00%
Award frequency: Landlord 40,00% Banker 65,00% Scientist 70,00% Thermalist 80,00% Miner 20,00%



5 player stats:

Average score 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th #Players
Standard Game 50,30 59,00 55,75 52,00 45,25 39,50 20
Extended Game 54,97 64,33 58,75 54,15 50,77 45,54 65
Total 53,87 63,00 58,00 53,65 49,47 44,12 85

Game length Average Minimum Maximum Median
Standard Game 6,00 6 6 6
Extended Game 10,75 9 15 9,5
Total 9,80 6 15 9


Win rate Avg Score Avg position #Games
Beginner 0,200 48,400 3,600 5
Credicor 0,250 56,750 3,750 4
Ecoline 0,333 57,500 2,083 6
Helion 0,143 50,286 3,571 7
Interplanetary 0,000 48,250 3,500 4
Inventrix 0,000 53,833 2,833 6
Mining Guild 0,000 56,500 3,250 8
PhoboLog 0,100 51,900 3,700 10
Saturn Systems 0,444 61,000 2,000 9
Teractor 0,000 40,500 4,500 2
Tharsis Rep. 0,286 57,429 2,143 7
Thorgate 0,333 53,556 2,778 9
UNMI 0,125 51,500 2,938 8


Milestone frequency: Terraformer 33,33% Mayor 66,67% Gardener 100,00% Builder 66,67% Planner 33,33%
Award frequency: Landlord 66,67% Banker 66,67% Scientist 33,33% Thermalist 100,00% Miner 33,33%

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Re: (Help needed!) Let's collect some data and figure out each corporation's win rate!
Well we have only played 2 games so far and I have lost both of them to my GF. Even in our learning game we each started with regular corporations instead of the beginner ones. Here is what we have each had so far:

Game 1:
Me - Interplanetare 57
GF - Mining Guild 77

Game 2
Me - Ecoline 89
GF - Interplanetare 104

We both really like this game and hopefully I will get better at itshake
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Bastinator1 wrote:
I can see you came here to help me collect some data; laugh

Oh how did you know!?

I got my own copy at Spiel yesterday, and I already prepared a (super simple) "stat sheet" to record my games, so I am totally prepared for your request. Now I just need to nag my gaming friends to play the game all the time! meeple
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Snapshot wrote:
Bastinator1 wrote:
I can see you came here to help me collect some data; laugh

Oh how did you know!?

I got my own copy at Spiel yesterday, and I already prepared a (super simple) "stat sheet" to record my games, so I am totally prepared for your request. Now I just need to nag my gaming friends to play the game all the time! meeple


It's a fantastic game, so it shouldn't be difficult to convince them! (Or if they refuse, you just get some new ones devil)


Thanks for reporting your two games, Mike!
Sorry you lost, but you'll surely do better next time!

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Re: (Help needed!) Let's collect some data and figure out each corporation's win rate!
Oh hey, I totally forgot this:

It's clearly a good idea if you guys also report whether you played with the corporate era cards.
I suspect the scores might be quite different.
 
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Might want to add player count as there is only so much Mars to be Terraformed. (9 Oceans, 14 Oxygens, and 19 Temperatures) = 42 TR to be gained in every games. More players = lower scores, smaller engines. Less players = higher scores, bigger engines.
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Crikrunner wrote:
Might want to add player count as there is only so much Mars to be Terraformed. (9 Oceans, 14 Oxygens, and 19 Temperatures) = 42 TR to be gained in every games. More players = lower scores, smaller engines. Less players = higher scores, bigger engines.


We can simply deduce the amount of players from the amount of corporations/scores reported for a game.
I assumed nobody would report games in such an unusual fashion that the player count would not be obvious.

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Game 3 Info:

2 players using Advanced Corporations but we did not add in the Corporate Era cards yet.



Me - Tharsis Republic 102
GF - UNMI 94

I finally got a win

Hopefully tonight we will get in a 4-5 player game!
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with so much details (number of player, CE or not and so on), Your stats will always be very parcellar.
No need to record points...
Just record the number of win for each corpo. You should have a map.

And, If the Fryx brother have worked well, you should obtain a quite equal score for each corpo ;)
 
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Two games:

- Thorgate 109 - Beginner 73
- Inventrix 88 - Credicor 87 - Beginner 86 - Saturn Systems 71
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Duinhir wrote:
with so much details (number of player, CE or not and so on), Your stats will always be very parcellar.
No need to record points...
Just record the number of win for each corpo. You should have a map.

And, If the Fryx brother have worked well, you should obtain a quite equal score for each corpo


I am aware of the problem, but unfortunately it's impossible to avoid.
What kind of "map" do you have in mind?

As for the scores, I'd like to record them to see how player number etc. influences scores, and to see whether some companies have a weird distribution.


@Sébastien A:
Thanks for reporting your games!
I assume you did not use the corporate era cards?


Thanks a lot to you too, Mike! Nicely done!


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No Corporate Era

Tharsis Rep: 119
PhoboLog: 74
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Bastinator1 wrote:
What kind of "map" do you have in mind?

I think Matthieu mistranslated, and was probably referring to a graph.

Bastinator1 wrote:
I assume you did not use the corporate era cards?

We actually did use the Corporate Era cards in both games. Every one in our group agrees that the generic beginner corporations are quite well balanced against the named ones.

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Finally got in a couple of 5-player games:

In this game we used the Corporate Era cards:
Terri - Ecoline 71
Me - Tharsis Republic 58
Joe - UNMI 44
Josh - Teractor 36
Deb - Interplanetary Cinematics 34


In this game we used the Corporate Era cards and Drafting Variant:
Terri - Satirn Systems 81
Deb - Inventrix 64
Me - Tharsis Republic 63
Zach - UNMI 57
Scott - Phobolog 56

After that last game, I think we will always use the drafting variant. It took a little longer but certainly worth it.
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Omahavice wrote:
After that last game, I think we will always use the drafting variant. It took a little longer but certainly worth it.


Yeah, the draft variant is sweet!

Thanks again for reporting your games, I think we are getting pretty close to usable results already!


(Also, I just played this game:
Inventrix 103, UNMI 91, Corporate Era, no draft)


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Without Corporate Era, without draft
75 Helion - 1st play
65 Ecoline - 1st play
51 Credicor - 1st play
48 Inventrix - 1st play


With Corporate Era, without draft
68 Thorgate
60 UNMI
57 Tharsis Republic
57 Satrun Systems - 1st play
36 PhoboLog - 1st play
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Standard game:

Beginner 79
Helion 78

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Brastias wrote:
Beginner 79
Helion 78

Ooh, a nail biter!
 
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I don't have exact stats and score but we played 7 games (all corp era, 6 4 players, and 1 5 players, 1 was with draft)

Game usually end between turn 8 and 10 (first game was 14)

Ecoline: 3 wins
earth tag one: 1 win (draft)
jovian corp: 1 win
mining corp: 2 wins

at the moment we feel Ecoline is the strongest corp (almost sure to get gardener, and huge shot at the mayor and you're not card dependant)

Tharsis republic, Mining and the one that you can pay 3 to boost terraform all seem quite strong. (altough this last one never won it often finish second)

all other seem mediocre at best. (assuming at least 4 players)
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Standard game :

Tharsis Republic: 64
Mining Guild: 61
Inventrix: 59
Phobolog: 41
Helio: 41
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Thanks for reporting your games, guys!

It is much appreciated!


At the moment, Tharsis Republic seems to outperform the others, but of course the sample size is still small and some corporations don't have more than 2 games reported yet.
I should be able to create a table tomorrow, so you can also see the results we have so far.

Keep up the good work!

Sebastian
 
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With corporate era and draft

United Nations Mars Initiative: 53
Ecoline: 47
Thorgate: 47
Beginner Corporation: 45
Beginner Corporation: 43
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Thanks for your report, Charles!

So far we have 49 results. However, there are still several companies that haven't been played more than 2 or 3 times. shake
For the moment, this means I can only give you some general stats:

First of all, the difference between the Standard Game and the Corporate Era doesn't seem very large.
The difference mostly stems from single results skewing the stats (For instance, I was the only one to report corporate era 2p games so far, but I spend much more time on this forum than most, and we have been playing this game for over a month now, so the scores in my playgroup are probably above average)
5p games are the only ones where we have somewhat reliable results for BOTH variants. There, the avg points are 54,5 (standard game) and 53,26(extended game) so far.
Overall, it does NOT seem like the corporate era makes a huge difference in final scores, so I included results from both variants for now, until we have more data available to seperate them.

However, the number of players affects final scores a lot. Needless to say, more players mean fewer points:


Avg score (2p): 90,875 (100,63 to 81,13)
Avg score (3p): -
Avg score (4p): 71,38
Avg score (5p): 53,72 (67,4 - 58 - 54 - 47,2 - 42)

Also, here are the average points for the only corporations that have at least 3 results in a 5p game so far:

Avg score PhoboLog(5p): 44,33
Avg score Tharsis Republic(5p): 60,5
Avg score UNMI(5p): 53,5

At the moment, PhoboLog seems like the clear loser, and Tharsis Republic the clear winner. It should be obvious that Tharsis is easier to play than PhoboLog though, and all results should be taken with a grain of salt considering the small sample size


Thanks everyone for posting their results so far, I hope you will keep doing so!
We are still in need of way more results before we get a clearer picture!
Sebastian

(PS: I played another 2p game with Inventrix:
Inventrix 112, Saturn Systems 93, corporate era with draft)
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Standard game:

Phobolog 77
Beginner 76

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With Corporate Era, without draft
111 Mining Guild
90 Satrun Systems
84 Credicor - 1st play
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