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Andrew Tullsen
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3 player game, tie for second/last.

For playing multiple games, who goes first next game?

For the purposes of scoring points, do the players tied for last score 1 point each or no points?

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Ed Kelly
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My interpretation of the rules would be that both of the players would get 0 points. The player that had fewer fruit cards in hand would go first next game. If that's a tie, I'm not sure.
 
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Howitzer_120mm wrote:
3 player game, tie for second/last.

For playing multiple games, who goes first next game?

For the purposes of scoring points, do the players tied for last score 1 point each or no points?



Got the same problem right now. My Father won with 4 points and my mother and me both scored 3 and we both got 4 cards in hand.

And i was one turn from wining as well. Close game and really fun.
 
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What's the score in this situation:
4 players end the game in the same round, all with 3 juices, 2 are tied with 2 extra cards, 2 are tied with 0 extra cards.

Is the score 2-2-0-0 or 2-2-1-1?
 
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The question I had for ties is whether those ties are broken by cards in hand as well.

So our scores were
Completed - Extra Cards

3/7
3/3
3/1
2/7
2/5

We ruled that the 3/7 got two points and that the 2/5 got 0. Everyone else got 1.

Does that sound right to everyone else?

Using the other logic, you would say that the 2/7 had also ended with 2/5, so they would both score 0.

 
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Reviving this thread in the hopes that we can get a ruling from Henning.
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Had this happen today as well. Two people had 3 cards and the same amount of fruit, the other two people had 2 cards and the same amount of fruit. We ruled they each got a point, but would love to see an official ruling.
 
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Dna_Boy wrote:
What's the score in this situation:
4 players end the game in the same round, all with 3 juices, 2 are tied with 2 extra cards, 2 are tied with 0 extra cards.

Is the score 2-2-0-0 or 2-2-1-1?


The score 2-2-0-0, at least that's what he told me.
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Dna_Boy wrote:
Dna_Boy wrote:
What's the score in this situation:
4 players end the game in the same round, all with 3 juices, 2 are tied with 2 extra cards, 2 are tied with 0 extra cards.

Is the score 2-2-0-0 or 2-2-1-1?
The score 2-2-0-0, at least that's what he told me.
"He" who?
 
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Dna_Boy wrote:
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Works for me!

So the official ruling, as I understand it, is that if everyone is tied in the number of juices, then the player(s) with the most cards get 2 and everyone else gets 0. Not a situation I can see arising very often, granted, but good to know.
 
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ryudoowaru wrote:
Works for me!
So the official ruling, as I understand it, is that if everyone is tied in the number of juices, then the player(s) with the most cards get 2 and everyone else gets 0. Not a situation I can see arising very often, granted, but good to know.


Not exactly. The ruling tells us that the tied players with the most cards get 2 points, and the tied players with the least cards get 0 points. His example didn't include a tied player with neither the most or least cards remaining, but I believe they'd score 1 point. But this was not included in his example.
 
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Bilben04 wrote:
ryudoowaru wrote:
Works for me!
So the official ruling, as I understand it, is that if everyone is tied in the number of juices, then the player(s) with the most cards get 2 and everyone else gets 0. Not a situation I can see arising very often, granted, but good to know.


Not exactly. The ruling tells us that the tied players with the most cards get 2 points, and the tied players with the least cards get 0 points. His example didn't include a tied player with neither the most or least cards remaining, but I believe they'd score 1 point. But this was not included in his example.


It didn't because that is in the rules...
1st player gets 2 points
Last player gets 0
Everyone in between gets 1, it doesn't make any difference if they are tied or not
 
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Muse23PT wrote:
It didn't because that is in the rules...
1st player gets 2 points
Last player gets 0
Everyone in between gets 1, it doesn't make any difference if they are tied or not
The entire question here is what happens when there is more than one "last player."

The rules only state (and explicitly so!) that the tiebreaker is to be applied when players are tied for the most juices. It doesn't say that the tiebreaker applies to ties for the fewest juices. Therefore, by the rule of Avoiding The Munchkin Fallacy, the tiebreaker is not applied, and all players who have the fewest juice cards receive 0 points.

And my interpretation of the official ruling is once again correct: if everyone has the same number of juices, then the player(s) who win the tiebreaker receive 2 points, everyone else (because they have the fewest juices and did not win the tie) receives 0.
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ryudoowaru wrote:
Muse23PT wrote:
It didn't because that is in the rules...
1st player gets 2 points
Last player gets 0
Everyone in between gets 1, it doesn't make any difference if they are tied or not
The entire question here is what happens when there is more than one "last player."

The rules only state (and explicitly so!) that the tiebreaker is to be applied when players are tied for the most juices. It doesn't say that the tiebreaker applies to ties for the fewest juices. Therefore, by the rule of Avoiding The Munchkin Fallacy, the tiebreaker is not applied, and all players who have the fewest juice cards receive 0 points.

And my interpretation of the official ruling is once again correct: if everyone has the same number of juices, then the player(s) who win the tiebreaker receive 2 points, everyone else (because they have the fewest juices and did not win the tie) receives 0.


To me a Tie Breaker is for all ties in the end of the game, not only for the 1st place...

And I was replying to Bill that was saying that the example wasn't contemplating ties for the middle spots... in that case all tied players get 1 point... the one in last (not tied with anyone) gets 0 and the one that wins get 2.

But if 2 players are tied for last with 1 juice and one of them has 4 fruit cards and the other has 3 or less then that player with 3 or less is the last player due to the tie-breaker
 
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