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Which answer best suits you when playing games? "I like to play..."
Ameritrash Games (exclusively)
Ameritrash Games (almost exclusively)
Ameritrash Games (far more than Euro-Games)
Ameritrash Games (more so than Euro Games)
Amritrash/Euro Games (an even mix of both)
Euro Games (more so than Ameritrash Games)
Euro Games (far more than Ameritrash Games)
Euro Games (almost exclusively)
Euro Games (exclusively)
You can't put ME in a BOX!!!
Bacon (seems that many leave this one out anymore...)
      182 answers
Poll created by killerjoe1962


EDIT ADD ON

before I hit submit when I made this thread I ran out of time and had to get ready for work so the following should've accompanied the poll:

This poll is exclusively for my own curiosity and does not speak for anyone else so your participation appreciated but the results really are pretty benign except for my own enjoyment. I am not trying to prove any point whatsoever, just thought I'd post a poll.

I included not being put into a box because I have seen enough responses to other polls that some folks just feel uncomfortable with labeling in general so I added that to the poll.

War gamers can just choose not to participate for whatever reason they see fit, I know war gamers seem to feel unrepresented here on the boards (or at least that's my opinion).

Have fun, and remember, it's okay to choose BACON!!!!!
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What kind of gamer are you?
Euro - I want meeples, an economic engine, and the most points at the end.
Ameritrash - I want lots of little plastic dudes to conquer the world.
Coop - I want to work with my friends to stop disease and get off the island.
Abstract - If I dominate d4 then my Tzaar will achieve ko.
Card - Net Runner, Magic, L5R, Dominion, if it has cards, I'm in.
War - A grognard. 800 cardboard counters, 20 pages of rules, so you mean a LIGHT war game then?
Theme - When my shoggoths betray your cylons then shall Arthur sleep easy.
Casual - What's wrong with monopoly?
      491 answers
Poll created by skutsch
 
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Poor wargamers. While the other children fight over the birthday cake, they're just stuck there with their nose pressed to the window.
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skutsch wrote:
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What kind of gamer are you?
Euro - I want meeples, an economic engine, and the most points at the end.
Ameritrash - I want lots of little plastic dudes to conquer the world.
Coop - I want to work with my friends to stop disease and get off the island.
Abstract - If I dominate d4 then my Tzaar will achieve ko.
Card - Net Runner, Magic, L5R, Dominion, if it has cards, I'm in.
War - A grognard. 800 cardboard counters, 20 pages of rules, so you mean a LIGHT war game then?
Theme - When my shoggoths betray your cylons then shall Arthur sleep easy.
Casual - What's wrong with monopoly?
      491 answers
Poll created by skutsch


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-Omnigamer (I like diversity in my diet)

Also - aren't Ameritrash and Theme essentially the same, how are you differentiating them? Why a separate entry for each? ninja
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Abiezer Coppe wrote:
Poor wargamers. While the other children fight over the birthday cake, they're just stuck there with their nose pressed to the window.


Don't worry. Rather than nose on the window, we are with our noses pressed into the rulebook, playing pretty much without caring what goes on around us!
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JohnnyDollar wrote:


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-Omnigamer (I like diversity in my diet) :p

Also - aren't Ameritrash and Theme essentially the same, how are you differentiating them? Why a separate entry for each? :ninja:

They are both defined as Ameritrash but in my heart Ameritrash is always dudes on a map so that's how I defined it in MY poll. I kept thematic games (you know, all that Lovecraftian crap) separate because those games are mechanically entirely different.
 
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JohnnyDollar wrote:
skutsch wrote:
Poll
What kind of gamer are you?
Euro - I want meeples, an economic engine, and the most points at the end.
Ameritrash - I want lots of little plastic dudes to conquer the world.
Coop - I want to work with my friends to stop disease and get off the island.
Abstract - If I dominate d4 then my Tzaar will achieve ko.
Card - Net Runner, Magic, L5R, Dominion, if it has cards, I'm in.
War - A grognard. 800 cardboard counters, 20 pages of rules, so you mean a LIGHT war game then?
Theme - When my shoggoths betray your cylons then shall Arthur sleep easy.
Casual - What's wrong with monopoly?
      491 answers
Poll created by skutsch


Forgot
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Also - aren't Ameritrash and Theme essentially the same, how are you differentiating them? Why a separate entry for each? ninja

I think he's using "ameritrash" to refer solely to dudes-on-a-map games (which doesn't make sense for the term to be so exclusive because the entire point of ameritrash games is that they're so thematic. And so many co-ops (and probably card games) are ameritrash too.)

FWIW this isn't the first time that Skutch has tried to narrow the definition of the term "ameritrash".
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JohnnyDollar wrote:
skutsch wrote:
Poll
What kind of gamer are you?
Euro - I want meeples, an economic engine, and the most points at the end.
Ameritrash - I want lots of little plastic dudes to conquer the world.
Coop - I want to work with my friends to stop disease and get off the island.
Abstract - If I dominate d4 then my Tzaar will achieve ko.
Card - Net Runner, Magic, L5R, Dominion, if it has cards, I'm in.
War - A grognard. 800 cardboard counters, 20 pages of rules, so you mean a LIGHT war game then?
Theme - When my shoggoths betray your cylons then shall Arthur sleep easy.
Casual - What's wrong with monopoly?
      491 answers
Poll created by skutsch


Forgot
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Also - aren't Ameritrash and Theme essentially the same, how are you differentiating them? Why a separate entry for each? ninja


I don't think so. There are many very thematic Euros, e. g. games by Uwe Rosenberg, Robinson Crusoe, Terrraforming Mars, Voyages of Marco Polo to name a few.
 
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I'm a bit more into Euros but feel I have a wide taste. My wife is very much more Euros. I would have more Ameritrash if I thought my wife would play them all.
 
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Burnham wrote:
FWIW this isn't the first time that Skutch has tried to narrow the definition of the term "ameritrash".

Who is this "Skutch" person you speak of?
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Abiezer Coppe wrote:
Poor wargamers. While the other children fight over the birthday cake, they're just stuck there with their nose pressed to the window.


Yeah, I couldn't vote in this poll as wargames weren't listed. Queue wargamer persecution complex!
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Europe > America
 
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Mondkalb123 wrote:


I don't think so. There are many very thematic Euros, e. g. games by Uwe Rosenberg, Robinson Crusoe, Terrraforming Mars, Voyages of Marco Polo to name a few.


Robinson Crusoe is a hybrid, surely?

That aside, I agree with you. The whole term "thematic" is just something BGG came up with to stop the pearl clutchers fainting daintily at the term "Ameritrash".

It's so vague to be entirely meaningless. What separates euros and Ameritrash is whether they have a strong theme or not. It's how that theme is expressed mechanically.
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skutsch wrote:
Poll
What kind of gamer are you?
Euro - I want meeples, an economic engine, and the most points at the end.
Ameritrash - I want lots of little plastic dudes to conquer the world.
Coop - I want to work with my friends to stop disease and get off the island.
Abstract - If I dominate d4 then my Tzaar will achieve ko.
Card - Net Runner, Magic, L5R, Dominion, if it has cards, I'm in.
War - A grognard. 800 cardboard counters, 20 pages of rules, so you mean a LIGHT war game then?
Theme - When my shoggoths betray your cylons then shall Arthur sleep easy.
Casual - What's wrong with monopoly?
      491 answers
Poll created by skutsch


in my opinion the question for this poll could say,
"Check each one that applies to you..."
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killerjoe1962 wrote:
War gamers can just choose not to participate for whatever reason they see fit, I know war gamers seem to feel unrepresented here on the boards (or at least that's my opinion).


Hmm, you also left out abstract strategy games...

My favorite games are abstract strategy games and wargames.
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Abiezer Coppe wrote:
Mondkalb123 wrote:


I don't think so. There are many very thematic Euros, e. g. games by Uwe Rosenberg, Robinson Crusoe, Terrraforming Mars, Voyages of Marco Polo to name a few.


Robinson Crusoe is a hybrid, surely?

That aside, I agree with you. The whole term "thematic" is just something BGG came up with to stop the pearl clutchers fainting daintily at the term "Ameritrash".

It's so vague to be entirely meaningless. What separates euros and Ameritrash is whether they have a strong theme or not. It's how that theme is expressed mechanically.
I assume you meant "What separates Euros and Ameritrash isn't whether they have a strong theme or not", right? I agree that there are many Euros with strong themes (Terraforming Mars is a perfect example by the way) and that what distinguishes them from Ameritrash games has more to do with how that theme is implemented mechanically than with the strength of theme.

(I also disagree that Voyages of Marco Polo is particularly thematic at all. If you changed the name of the game and characters to anything else, I'd have never realized what the theme was supposed to be.)

"Thematic Games" is a misnomer. It's an attempt to avoid the term Ameritrash that seizes on a characteristic that is often given more importance in Ameritrash games than it is in Euros. But theme isn't really the thing that sets those two types of games apart. Terraforming Mars is probably one of the more thematic games I've played in a long time and nobody would ever lump it into the Ameritrash category. When you sort things by "Thematic" you end up with a mismash of games, which admittedly has a lot of Ameritrash games in it, but as a group doesn't really have a lot in common. Thematic just isn't a good way of sorting games... I don't know anyone who likes games with strong themes regardless of what type of theme it is and regardless of how the game plays (whether it's more of a Euro or an Ameritrash game). This is a categorization scheme that I don't fits many people at all.
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Mondkalb123 wrote:
JohnnyDollar wrote:


Forgot
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Also - aren't Ameritrash and Theme essentially the same, how are you differentiating them? Why a separate entry for each? ninja


I don't think so. There are many very thematic Euros, e. g. games by Uwe Rosenberg, Robinson Crusoe, Terrraforming Mars, Voyages of Marco Polo to name a few.


Agreed that there are some thematic Euros. But, theme is very subjective and is in the eye of the beholder. I find Chess thematic, for example.

However, as far as genre classification, the official BGG terms are "Thematic" (for Ameritrash) and "Strategy" (for Euros).
Hybrids would be some split percentage between the two.

I prefer the terms Ameritrash/Euros, since as both of us agree, some Euros can feel quite thematic.
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Theme tends to be what pulls me into a game but the mechanics are what keep me there. Ultimately I want a balance between the two. I LOVE miniatures due to that extra flare they add but I also love metal coins for that same reason. There's just something aesthetically and tactilely pleasing about miniatures, gold coins, and even wood bits.

That said, I classified myself as a casual gamer simply because I don't prefer one type of game over another.
 
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russ wrote:
killerjoe1962 wrote:
War gamers can just choose not to participate for whatever reason they see fit, I know war gamers seem to feel unrepresented here on the boards (or at least that's my opinion).


Hmm, you also left out abstract strategy games...

My favorite games are abstract strategy games and wargames.


I left out far more types than that!
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Thunkd wrote:
I assume you meant "What separates Euros and Ameritrash isn't whether they have a strong theme or not", right?

Oops, yep!

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I don't know anyone who likes games with strong themes regardless of what type of theme it is and regardless of how the game plays (whether it's more of a Euro or an Ameritrash game). This is a categorization scheme that I don't fits many people at all.


I know some. But they aren't primarily boardgamers. They're systemless roleplayers and freeform LARPers. Boardgames simply aren't set up to cater to the "theme only" crowd.
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I knew "You can't put me in a box" choice would be high.....too funny.
 
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skutsch wrote:
Burnham wrote:
FWIW this isn't the first time that Skutch has tried to narrow the definition of the term "ameritrash".

Who is this "Skutch" person you speak of?


Like Skutsch, only not so full of s?
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I am offended by this poll. Why have you done this to me? I won't sleep tonight because I am so offended. You can't post lighthearted surveys to satiate your own curiosity! Who gave you permission to do this???

Also, I debate every description listed in your poll. You cannot define the items as you have defined them. I reject this poll and all it stands for, sir! Reject it, I say! *Shakes fist*
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killerjoe1962 wrote:
I knew "You can't put me in a box" choice would be high.....too funny.
You can put me in a box...

...of bacon.

Pete (accedes to that)
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Abiezer Coppe wrote:
Mondkalb123 wrote:


I don't think so. There are many very thematic Euros, e. g. games by Uwe Rosenberg, Robinson Crusoe, Terrraforming Mars, Voyages of Marco Polo to name a few.


Robinson Crusoe is a hybrid, surely?

That aside, I agree with you. The whole term "thematic" is just something BGG came up with to stop the pearl clutchers fainting daintily at the term "Ameritrash".


And I, for one, detest said euphamism. Not because my slight preference is thematic euros, resource management and action efficiency focused stuff where the mechanisms are dripping with theme (and its slight, I'll play pretty much anything) when the strategic euphamism for euro implies euros lack theme, but the idea that Ameritrash staples like Warhammer, MTG - both of which have fairly significant tournaments where the best players consistently win and do well in - war of the ring, even down to risk, lack strategic and tactical play.

(I'm not convinced most coops make sense in the euro/amerithrash paradigm, tbh, but I'd put RC as euro at a push, compared to MoM or M&M. It's stuff like Defenders of the Realm and to a lesser extent Pandemic I'd label hybrids. But I tend to find 'how spatial is this?' a more useful criteria for coops than Euro vs Ameri. Which would put Knizia's LOTR at the opposite end to Pandemic.)
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