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https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trumps...

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OCTOBER 17, 2016 -

​DONALD J. TRUMP’S FIVE-POINT PLAN FOR ETHICS REFORM

“It’s Time To Drain The Swamp In Washington, D.C. That’s Why I’m Proposing A Package Of Ethics Reforms To Make Our Government Honest Once Again.” - Donald J. Trump


First: I am going to re-institute a 5-year ban on all executive branch officials lobbying the government for 5 years after they leave government service. I am going to ask Congress to pass this ban into law so that it cannot be lifted by executive order.

Second: I am going to ask Congress to institute its own 5-year ban on lobbying by former members of Congress and their staffs.

Third: I am going to expand the definition of lobbyist so we close all the loopholes that former government officials use by labeling themselves consultants and advisors when we all know they are lobbyists.

Fourth: I am going to issue a lifetime ban against senior executive branch officials lobbying on behalf of a foreign government.

Fifth: I am going to ask Congress to pass a campaign finance reform that prevents registered foreign lobbyists from raising money in American elections.

Not only will we end our government corruption, but we will end the economic stagnation.


I agree with all five points.

Further, Hillary is likely opposed to this plan -- it is counter to the (terrible) way things in Washington are done.

I don't think this should change anyone's vote -- he's still unviable -- but this is another one of his policies that I would imagine most of us would espouse is a good position.

In a nutshell -- selling the influence you gained in Congress to a corporation after you're no longer in Congress should be banned.

Points 1-3 seem like obvious no-brainers, 4-5 I'm not as sure about; but they seem like a good idea on their faces.

If Trump ran on more stuff like these internal reforms, rather than xenophobia, well... he'd of never gotten through the primary I suppose. But I'd be happier.
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I agree with all 5 of these also, whole heartedly.
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I agree they are great ideas. I don't believe Trump believes them or would actually spend any energy advancing them. But it's good that he put them out there.

Wouldn't it be neat if Clinton would say, "Yes! Those are good ideas. I'll fight for the same thing!"

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maxo-texas wrote:
I agree they are great ideas. I don't believe Trump believes them or would actually spend any energy advancing them. But it's good that he put them out there.

Wouldn't it be neat if Clinton would say, "Yes! Those are good ideas. I'll fight for the same thing!"


It would be great.

I think it would sway my vote to Clinton if she espoused these ideas and Johnson denounced them (while he was stoned, of course.) I think they're terribly important ideas.

I also think she's opposed to them.
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maxo-texas wrote:
I agree they are great ideas. I don't believe Trump believes them or would actually spend any energy advancing them. But it's good that he put them out there.

Wouldn't it be neat if Clinton would say, "Yes! Those are good ideas. I'll fight for the same thing!"



Exactly. He is in desperation mode, seeking out any position where he can take a popular stand that he knows Hillary would not be able to get behind. But like you said, I don't think he actually cares about it. It's just his Hail Mary. If he cared about it, it would have come up a lot sooner.
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Terwox wrote:
maxo-texas wrote:
I agree they are great ideas. I don't believe Trump believes them or would actually spend any energy advancing them. But it's good that he put them out there.

Wouldn't it be neat if Clinton would say, "Yes! Those are good ideas. I'll fight for the same thing!"


It would be great.

I think it would sway my vote to Clinton if she espoused these ideas and Johnson denounced them (while he was stoned, of course.) I think they're terribly important ideas.

I also think she's opposed to them.

She should come out in favor since these are all dependent on Congress. There's no way they would ever pass any of them.
 
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jmilum wrote:
Terwox wrote:
maxo-texas wrote:
I agree they are great ideas. I don't believe Trump believes them or would actually spend any energy advancing them. But it's good that he put them out there.

Wouldn't it be neat if Clinton would say, "Yes! Those are good ideas. I'll fight for the same thing!"


It would be great.

I think it would sway my vote to Clinton if she espoused these ideas and Johnson denounced them (while he was stoned, of course.) I think they're terribly important ideas.

I also think she's opposed to them.

She should come out in favor since these are all dependent on Congress. There's no way they would ever pass any of them.


Probably true!

But she struggles enough w/ the persona of being a hypocrite, the whole "public vs. private position" bit, and the like, so it might damage her to make that move as well.
 
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Good ideas. I wonder who gave them to him.

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Donald wrote:
Good ideas. I wonder who gave them to him.



I get the feeling if you asked him to expound on these, he wouldn't even be sure 100% what they referred to.
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Damn you, James, damn you. I clicked on this thread thinking he'd dropped out.
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It's a good position. Not enough to vote for him, but nice to see he's actually articulated a good idea mixed in with a seemingly endless flood of terrible ideas.
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Donald wrote:
Good ideas. I wonder who gave them to him.


Though I agree with you, is this not the ideal role of every politician?

To sift through political thought and present the tempered viewpoint of experts?

I don't really expect a good politician to be creative.
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Damn you, James, damn you. I clicked on this thread thinking he'd dropped out.


I'd take Trump/Pence over Pence/Cruz any day!
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I agree with those very sensible reforms. However, this...

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Not only will we end our government corruption, but we will end the economic stagnation.


...doesn't really follow from his proposals.
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jmilum wrote:
She should come out in favor since these are all dependent on Congress. There's no way they would ever pass any of them.


Publicly she should support them, privately she wont cause mamma gotta get paid !
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Brickmaster wrote:
I agree with those very sensible reforms. However, this...

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Not only will we end our government corruption, but we will end the economic stagnation.


...doesn't really follow from his proposals.


Indeed, I thought the same thing.

Maybe he actually wrote that part.
 
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Brickmaster wrote:
I agree with those very sensible reforms. However, this...

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Not only will we end our government corruption, but we will end the economic stagnation.


...doesn't really follow from his proposals.


I suppose the hope is that if we end corruption in DC, there will be fewer handouts and tax exemptions and that money will find its way back into the hands of the people.
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Nice ideas, but they don't go far enough.

Term limits for Congress: 12 years total, either Senate, House, or both

Campaign finance reform, Part 1: All monies donated to a candidate/office holder that remain after an election go into the Congress' general fund with a lock box so these excess campaign funds go to pay down the deficit

Campaign finance reform, Part 2: ALL DONORS must be identified along with the amounts they give to the candidate(s)

Campaign finance reform, Part 3: PACs, SuperPACs and other means to circumvent campaign finance laws are made illegal. Individuals, however, may purchase commercials, FB time, etc. AS LONG AS THE INDIVIDUAL IS IDENTIFIED AND THE COST (DONATION) IS ALSO IDENTIFIED

Yeah, none of these have a chance in hell of passage.
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Campaign finance reform, Part 3: PACs, SuperPACs and other means to circumvent campaign finance laws are made illegal. Individuals, however, may purchase commercials, FB time, etc. AS LONG AS THE INDIVIDUAL IS IDENTIFIED AND THE COST (DONATION) IS ALSO IDENTIFIED


Flesh this one out for me a little more. How does undoing PACs but still allowing non-campaign commercials and such change anything?
 
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GameCrossing wrote:
remorseless1 wrote:


Campaign finance reform, Part 3: PACs, SuperPACs and other means to circumvent campaign finance laws are made illegal. Individuals, however, may purchase commercials, FB time, etc. AS LONG AS THE INDIVIDUAL IS IDENTIFIED AND THE COST (DONATION) IS ALSO IDENTIFIED


Flesh this one out for me a little more. How does undoing PACs but still allowing non-campaign commercials and such change anything?


Theoretically through transparency.

It's not perfect -- a corp can pay a person to shill for them -- but stopping the ridiculous notion that a corporation is literally a corporeal being with rights would be a great first step.
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First: I am going to re-institute a 5-year ban on all executive branch officials lobbying the government for 5 years after they leave government service. I am going to ask Congress to pass this ban into law so that it cannot be lifted by executive order.

How do you define this? Physical presence in washington? Working for a corporation with a physical presence in DC? A corporation thst cpntributes to any campaigns? This seems like a n+1 scenario.

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Second: I am going to ask Congress to institute its own 5-year ban on lobbying by former members of Congress and their staffs.


See #1

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Third: I am going to expand the definition of lobbyist so we close all the loopholes that former government officials use by labeling themselves consultants and advisors when we all know they are lobbyists.

To point #1. Also how do you oversee this? What sort of registry and enforcement prptocols? Once more as soon as you define it as N n+1 will appear.

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Fourth: I am going to issue a lifetime ban against senior executive branch officials lobbying on behalf of a foreign government.


This is red meat and nothing more. Why executive and nit Legislative? Because Obama/Clinton/etc.
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Fifth: I am going to ask Congress to pass a campaign finance reform that prevents registered foreign lobbyists from raising money in American elections.

So, foreign lobbyistz cN't cold call? Does he mean provide contributiins? Citizens United makes this pointless. Donate money to group X who is not the candidate but 'supports the ideas in a non partisan manner that the candidate espouses' so it's non-profit and keeps the books closed.

All this crap is giving cough drops to a cancer patient.
 
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Everybody who thinks Congress will vote to limit the earning power of former members of Congress, raise your hands.







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Yeah, me, too.
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Shadrach wrote:


General reply:

It's a five-point plan, it doesn't go into specifics.

I'd love to simply ban registered lobbyists from being in DC physically at all, expand the definition of a registered lobbyist, make the penalties for illegal lobbying egregious and scaled to the financial size of the offending party, and appoint a regulatory body (or a free market group of incentivized external regulators, I don't care.)

But I'm fine w/ anyone providing the barest bones plan on reducing corruption in our government. There's nothing more important in my view than standing in the way of corruption.
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wifwendell wrote:
Everybody who thinks Congress will vote to limit the earning power of former members of Congress, raise your hands.







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Yeah, me, too.


I fully agree.

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GameCrossing wrote:
remorseless1 wrote:


Campaign finance reform, Part 3: PACs, SuperPACs and other means to circumvent campaign finance laws are made illegal. Individuals, however, may purchase commercials, FB time, etc. AS LONG AS THE INDIVIDUAL IS IDENTIFIED AND THE COST (DONATION) IS ALSO IDENTIFIED


Flesh this one out for me a little more. How does undoing PACs but still allowing non-campaign commercials and such change anything?

Because we have this silly thing called freedom of speech. If an individual wants to support a candidate through advertising, rallies, campaign buttons, etc., they should be free to do so. HOWEVER, by requiring identification and the amount spent, it gives us much more transparency as to whom is supporting the candidate. It's not that PACs and SuperPACs are terrible things per se, but this nonsense about being tax-exempt if they don't support a candidate or political party in an obvious way is silly. Just a dodge to keep from revealing donors, party affiliation, etc. Get rid of them, and let the rich fund their own commercials and own them.
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