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In the starting tiles for the 2 players in the Windrider rule book it says to give one player the following tiles:

9, 6, 5, 2 and the other 8, 7, 4, 3

However in the player aids and old rulebooks it says the distribution should be:

9, 6, 4, 3 and the other 8, 7, 5, 2

So was this a rebalancing by Knizia or is it an error, or does it not really matter?

Confused new player....
 
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Re: Rules Errata in Windrider version?
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In the starting tiles for the 2 players in the Windrider rule book it says to give one player the following tiles:

9, 6, 5, 2 and the other 8, 7, 4, 3

However in the player aids and old rulebooks it says the distribution should be:

9, 6, 4, 3 and the other 8, 7, 5, 2

So was this a rebalancing by Knizia or is it an error, or does it not really matter?

Confused new player....


I'm confused in turn.

The rulebook says 9652/8743. But that is also what both the last Rio Grande rulebook said and what the Priests of Ra rulebook said. And I don't believe there was any intended change (and I'd expect to know of one).

So I don't know where your other distribution in old rules comes from. Can you either indicate a source or an error, please.

As for player aids, the only one I have a PDF of is scoring, I don't have one for setup, and I don't feel like breaking the shrink on mine to check that. Could you (here or via images section) show us a picture of this aid (both sides if double sided) please.

If you can do that, and there's a problem, I can point it out to Reiner and the relevant person at WindRider. But to avoid troubling busy people, I need to get all facts straight.

As for what to use, as the rulebook and old rules agree on 9652/8743 (and that's a more regular pattern) I'd definitely use that.
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Re: Rules Errata in Windrider version?
Evidence would suggest that every OFFICIAL 2 player version is consistent with the current distribution. Seems this was first seen in Razzia! So Knizia has never made a change.

https://www.boardgamegeek.com/article/1020094#1020094

Unofficial variants have used different distributions. The one being asked about in this thread seems to be the most popular, certainly the most common before the official variant was published, and is indeed the only one I've ever played with.

https://boardgamegeek.com/filepage/367/ragameaidjpg
https://boardgamegeek.com/filepage/16069/ra-player-matpdf

 
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Re: Rules Errata in Windrider version?
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Evidence would suggest that every OFFICIAL 2 player version is consistent with the current distribution. Seems this was first seen in Razzia! So Knizia has never made a change.

https://www.boardgamegeek.com/article/1020094#1020094

Unofficial variants have used different distributions. The one being asked about in this thread seems to be the most popular, certainly the most common before the official variant was published, and is indeed the only one I've ever played with.

https://boardgamegeek.com/filepage/367/ragameaidjpg
https://boardgamegeek.com/filepage/16069/ra-player-matpdf


That's all true. But the OP suggested that the alternative was used in "player aids and old rulebooks" and that therefore there was a problem with the Windrider version. The question is, has the OP picked up on those unofficial sources in his reference, meaning no problem?
 
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Re: Rules Errata in Windrider version?
Thanks for the links and the quick responses. Yes I was mostly looking at the player aids, but then I scoured some pictures of Ra, and one of them showed the breakdown on a document that seemed to be a rulebook, but could have been yet another player aid, with the variant version on it. I was just in a hurry and setting up and couldn't find any other mentions at a quick glance. We gravitated toward the breakdown in the rulebook anyway because of its obvious balance.
I had thought that if someone went to all the trouble of making an updated player aid, with the new tiles, and all, that they wouldn't copy this variant from the previous player aid, but I guess that they did, rather than use what is in the rulebook.
Thanks again for clearing this up, and so no problem, I guess.
 
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Re: Rules Errata in Windrider version?
So the short version is that the answer to the thread title is No. Might be worth making that clear.
 
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Re: Rules Errata in Windrider version?
Dearlove wrote:

That's all true. But the OP suggested that the alternative was used in "player aids and old rulebooks" and that therefore there was a problem with the Windrider version. The question is, has the OP picked up on those unofficial sources in his reference, meaning no problem?


Obviously this issue is solved. But I'll share the rest of my findings because why not.

I could not follow up on the rule book claim as they are not readily available in a historical capacity. I DID find a player aid that claimed to be for the "new Uberplay" edition that had ENTIRELY different numbers for 2 player.

Now, I am pretty sure the Alea/RGG edition never had 2 player rules packed in. I have no idea if the RGG-only edition did, or the Uberplay edition, etc.

However, with Razzia! being a different product entirely you can see the designers influence quite clearly over there. And it is fully consistent with the current official 2 player rules.

Hence I conclude that anything other than the current rule is just some random crap off the internet.
 
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Re: Rules Errata in Windrider version?
Fortunately I'm not limited to searching the Internet.

The third edition (Rio Grande) was the first to include two player rules (if we don't consider Razzia). The sun distribution in that (and other two player details, in particular the skipped point on the Ra track) were exactly the same as in the fourth (WindRider) edition.
 
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Re: Rules Errata in Windrider version?
I'd like to suggest again to the OP that he modifies the thread title since there is, in fact, no error in the Windrider version (or at least not the one suggested, and I'm not aware of any other).
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Done.

This was my first question on BGG so it took a while to find out how, and to revisit the page...

Hope this will clarify future searches...

BTW, There is the error of 'highest' being used instead of 'lowest' in the scoring section describing Pharaohs, second bullet point, on page 7.
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monkeyburp wrote:
Done.

This was my first question on BGG so it took a while to find out how, and to revisit the page...

Hope this will clarify future searches...

BTW, There is the error of 'highest' being used instead of 'lowest' in the scoring section describing Pharaohs, second bullet point, on page 7.


Now you mention it, that's been commented on but I'd forgotten. As I said then, bother.
 
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