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Interesting bit of understated sabre rattling.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/20/europe/russia-syria-warshi...

Someone should tell Slater not to worry. The Russians are kind of allies with China, and China will make everything safe.
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It's not entirely unsurprising for them to take the opportunity - after all, to date, no Soviet or Russian aircraft carrier has yet seen combat operations. Something every US carrier, and the US Navy in general, has extensive experience with.

Getting some actual live-fire combat experience for their aircraft carrier is more surprising than not it has taken this long for them to find an excuse for. (Extended combat operations on a carrier are no trivial thing, and it's an open question in a lot of circles whether or not the Russians can do it at all.)
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Interesting bit of understated sabre rattling.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/20/europe/russia-syria-warshi...

Someone should tell Slater not to worry. The Russians are kind of allies with China, and China will make everything safe.


They're probably just on their way to pick up Trump for the ride of shame home.
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It's not entirely unsurprising for them to take the opportunity - after all, to date, no Soviet or Russian aircraft carrier has yet seen combat operations. Something every US carrier, and the US Navy in general, has extensive experience with.

Getting some actual live-fire combat experience for their aircraft carrier is more surprising than not it has taken this long for them to find an excuse for. (Extended combat operations on a carrier are no trivial thing, and it's an open question in a lot of circles whether or not the Russians can do it at all.)

Well, the article does go into that. But it's certainly worth repeating. The PLA-Navy has been boasting about their aircraft carrier, which to date, has yet to see the open sea or launch an aircraft.
 
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At least they didn't fire on British trawlers this time thinking that they were Japanese warships.
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At least they didn't fire on British trawlers this time thinking that they were Japanese warships.

Not yet. Give them time.
 
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remorseless1 wrote:
AttackFactorZero wrote:
At least they didn't fire on British trawlers this time thinking that they were Japanese warships.

Not yet. Give them time.


Not so many British trawlers these days.
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Russia has a navy? Oh yeah that's right: http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Russia/Unit...
 
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Don't even know what that site is supposed to show, as it defines a 'navy' by 3 classes of ships - only 2 of which the US and Russia even have in common, while 95% of the US fleet is excluded.

In case it isn't obvious to the casual bystander - the US Navy surface fleet dwarfs the Russian surface fleet, and always has (ALWAYS has - from Russian to Soviet to Russian, again...it's never been any contest).

FWIW, that isn't the whole story - much as we countered Japanese Navy surface supremacy in early WW2 by our submarine fleet, the Soviets planned to heavily use their submarines to counter our surface fleet advantage. And this isn't a policy the Russian navy has veered far from - while submarines are useless for 'presence' vs a surface navy, if you want to win a war...they are damn handy.

But they rarely make the news, though. For obvious reasons (well...the same reasons they are basically useless for 'showing the flag').



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remorseless1 wrote:
Interesting bit of understated sabre rattling.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/20/europe/russia-syria-warshi...

Someone should tell Slater not to worry. The Russians are kind of allies with China, and China will make everything safe.
Would this be the Slater who is saying that electing a man who would cosey up to the Russians is a bad thing, or the Slater who is going to vote for him?

But you are correct, there is no need to worry, as this sort of thing went in for decades without Russia invading Essex.
 
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remorseless1 wrote:
Interesting bit of understated sabre rattling.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/20/europe/russia-syria-warshi...

Someone should tell Slater not to worry. The Russians are kind of allies with China, and China will make everything safe.
Would this be the Slater who is saying that electing a man who would cosey up to the Russians is a bad thing, or the Slater who is going to vote for him?

But you are correct, there is no need to worry, as this sort of thing went in for decades without Russia invading Essex.

Well usually Russian ships would take the shorter easier way north of the UK. This is just sabre rattling.
 
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DavidDearlove wrote:
slatersteven wrote:
remorseless1 wrote:
Interesting bit of understated sabre rattling.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/20/europe/russia-syria-warshi...

Someone should tell Slater not to worry. The Russians are kind of allies with China, and China will make everything safe.
Would this be the Slater who is saying that electing a man who would cosey up to the Russians is a bad thing, or the Slater who is going to vote for him?

But you are correct, there is no need to worry, as this sort of thing went in for decades without Russia invading Essex.

Well usually Russian ships would take the shorter easier way north of the UK. This is just sabre tatting.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2853128/Navy-shadows...

Did I miss the invasion (much have been asleep, or driving a lorry down the M1.

Ahh no, they were intercepted just before landing troops

http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/royal-navy-vessel-intercepts...

Must have swimming in webbley stadium when they invaded in 2012.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2097622/David-Vs-Gol...

You are right, we are facing far more aggression then we have in the last 6 years.
 
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Maybe they are afraid to sail if they can't see the coast?
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DavidDearlove wrote:
slatersteven wrote:
remorseless1 wrote:
Interesting bit of understated sabre rattling.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/20/europe/russia-syria-warshi...

Someone should tell Slater not to worry. The Russians are kind of allies with China, and China will make everything safe.
Would this be the Slater who is saying that electing a man who would cosey up to the Russians is a bad thing, or the Slater who is going to vote for him?

But you are correct, there is no need to worry, as this sort of thing went in for decades without Russia invading Essex.

Well usually Russian ships would take the shorter easier way north of the UK. This is just sabre rattling.


Easier, probably as the Strait of Dover is one of the more congested waterways. But not I think shorter.
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The fleet of the Grand Duchy of Fenwick has been spotted in NY harbor!
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Dearlove wrote:
DavidDearlove wrote:
slatersteven wrote:
remorseless1 wrote:
Interesting bit of understated sabre rattling.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/20/europe/russia-syria-warshi...

Someone should tell Slater not to worry. The Russians are kind of allies with China, and China will make everything safe.
Would this be the Slater who is saying that electing a man who would cosey up to the Russians is a bad thing, or the Slater who is going to vote for him?

But you are correct, there is no need to worry, as this sort of thing went in for decades without Russia invading Essex.

Well usually Russian ships would take the shorter easier way north of the UK. This is just sabre rattling.


Easier, probably as the Strait of Dover is one of the more congested waterways. But not I think shorter.

About 200nm shorter. (remember the world is a sphere.) Last time the Russians did it in 2011 they had to take shelter off Scotland so maybe they wanted more shelter. But then they have to cross the Bay of Biscay. The smaller ships are a bit coastal in design.
 
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DavidDearlove wrote:
Dearlove wrote:
DavidDearlove wrote:
slatersteven wrote:
remorseless1 wrote:
Interesting bit of understated sabre rattling.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/20/europe/russia-syria-warshi...

Someone should tell Slater not to worry. The Russians are kind of allies with China, and China will make everything safe.
Would this be the Slater who is saying that electing a man who would cosey up to the Russians is a bad thing, or the Slater who is going to vote for him?

But you are correct, there is no need to worry, as this sort of thing went in for decades without Russia invading Essex.

Well usually Russian ships would take the shorter easier way north of the UK. This is just sabre rattling.


Easier, probably as the Strait of Dover is one of the more congested waterways. But not I think shorter.

About 200nm shorter. (remember the world is a sphere.) Last time the Russians did it in 2011 they had to take shelter off Scotland so maybe they wanted more shelter. But then they have to cross the Bay of Biscay. The smaller ships are a bit coastal in design.


Edit: I know the world is a sphere. But the explanation is that I assumed this was from the Baltic, but it's from the Arctic. It is faster via Dover from the Baltic. I haven't checked the Arctic but that seems likely.

I have found a site at http://www.searoutefinder.com but haven't checked it for this case yet (I did for the other).

Edit: Run it from Murmansk (Arkhangelsk not available, don't know which is right, but irrelevant) to Latakia (Syria, one of two options).

It went west of Britain, but east of Ireland for shortest route. Don't know if the Irish Sea is an international waterway like the Strait of Dover, and that would also be seen as sabre rattling. But west of Ireland would not be much different.

4973 nm down the Irish Sea.
 
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I saw D. Dearlove's post and thought nm meant nanometers and he was being snarky. But the C. Dearlove's post clarified it for me.
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I saw D. Dearlove's post and thought nm meant nanometers and he was being snarky. But the C. Dearlove's post clarified it for me.


(Might have been the version I edited away.)

Our road signs use m for miles. I doubt anyone is confused and thinks metres. But out of a road context I'd assume m was metres and outside a sea (or possibly air) context I'd assume nm was nanometers. Though in the latter case the ratio of over a trillion makes it usually obvious which.
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Dearlove wrote:
qzhdad wrote:
I saw D. Dearlove's post and thought nm meant nanometers and he was being snarky. But the C. Dearlove's post clarified it for me.


(Might have been the version I edited away.)

Our road signs use m for miles. I doubt anyone is confused and thinks metres. But out of a road context I'd assume m was metres and outside a sea (or possibly air) context I'd assume nm was nanometers. Though in the latter case the ratio of over a trillion makes it usually obvious which.

Sorry too much navigating on small boats. (We always just write nm.) Nautical miles are good because we do boat speeds in knots and it is easy to measure nm on lines of latitude on charts.
But the main point is that the Russians deliberately tweeked the UK (and French) by sailing down the channel.
Interestingly that carrier has the blackest funnel smoke I have seen in a warship for years. What do Russian ships burn?
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DavidDearlove wrote:

Interestingly that carrier has the blackest funnel smoke I have seen in a warship for years.

Either the propulsion system is in a really bad way*, or the Russians want us to think that. I'm inclined to believe the former.

One of our decent newspapers still seems to think that the carrier is nuclear powered which seems to disagree with most other reports and evidence.

* that could also explain why it is doing a near-coastal transit so, in extremis, it could put into a French port. I expect the UK would allow emergency port access also but that would be horribly embarrassing to the Russians.
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Sadly we sent out the entire remnants of the once great British Navy to meet it. Two rowing boats and a pedalo.
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