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Hello everyone,

I just received a copy of Runebound (3rd Ed) today. As usual, the components (i.e. mapboard, cards) from FFG are great. But ...

1) The cards - in my cards supplied with the game, I notice that several of them are identical (in pairs and threes). (This is particularly the case in the four expansions that I purchased alongside the base game). Is that as it should be?

2) The dice - man is it a bind to have to peel off the stickers and get them into a good position on the blank dice. Not a task for old eyes and fingers. Is it just economics that prompted this approach from FFG?
 
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dougposkitt wrote:


1) The cards - in my cards supplied with the game, I notice that several of them are identical (in pairs and threes). (This is particularly the case in the four expansions that I purchased alongside the base game). Is that as it should be?


Some of the items are duplicated, but that should be all.
 
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dougposkitt wrote:
Hello everyone,

I just received a copy of Runebound (3rd Ed) today. As usual, the components (i.e. mapboard, cards) from FFG are great. But ...

1) The cards - in my cards supplied with the game, I notice that several of them are identical (in pairs and threes). (This is particularly the case in the four expansions that I purchased alongside the base game). Is that as it should be?


Can you say which cards?

Some enemies are repeated, possibly including those on some of the scenario cards (e.g. I think there are multiple Orc Brigands and some of the Dragon enemies from Margath's scenario cards). But all the story cards, skills and assets should be unique.

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2) The dice - man is it a bind to have to peel off the stickers and get them into a good position on the blank dice. Not a task for old eyes and fingers. Is it just economics that prompted this approach from FFG?


Possibly, though I can't really see etching them like the 2e dice would cost more than a few pence more.

Personally, I think they decided they wanted the terrain to exactly match the terrain on the board, rather than having symbols like the old edition did. Whether this is a good enough reason or not is highly subjective; some people prefer them as they are others do not (especially since they now required stickers).

Given that was what they wanted to do, I imagine stickers were the most cost effective way - possibly the only way at the time. They can now print imagery onto the dice as demonstrated by the SW: Destiny dice. So, I wonder if a new printing might do this?

Anyway, I'm afraid you're stuck with them. It's worth doing carefully and taking your time, and also running something hard and non-scratching along the edges to fix them properly into place. If your sight isn't up to it maybe ask someone else to do it?

Ours show not the slightest chance of coming off and seem absolutely stuck fast, but a small number of players have reported problems with the stickers coming off. Whether that is down to how precisely they were assembled or environmental factors like humidity, we aren't sure. Most likely a mixture of both and different in each case.

Some people have also sprayed a sealant or varnish type stuff on to protect them. I haven't, and I'm not even sure the right stuff to use.
 
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Yes, some cards (including a couple enemies) are duplicates. This is intentional. My wife and I each have a set of etched dice that we use with our copy of the game. You can purchase them from a BGG user called Orph. I refer you to this post to find links:

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dougposkitt wrote:
Hello everyone,

I just received a copy of Runebound (3rd Ed) today. As usual, the components (i.e. mapboard, cards) from FFG are great. But ...

1) The cards - in my cards supplied with the game, I notice that several of them are identical (in pairs and threes). (This is particularly the case in the four expansions that I purchased alongside the base game). Is that as it should be?


Can you say which cards?


Identical copies are:

Base Game (3rd Ed)

2 of Fly-By (combat, exploration)
2 of Rivals (social)
2 of Dead Prophet (social)
2 of Fey Sorceress (exploration)
4 of Reanimates (2 x combat, 2 x exploration)
3 of Undead Horde (2 x combat, social)
2 of Deep Elf (combat)
2 of Necromancer (exploration, combat)
2 of Death Knight (combat)
2 of Dragon Hybrid (combat)
2 of Beastman (combat)
2 of Moonbeam Cat (combat)
2 of Razorwing (combat)
2 of Ettin (combat)
2 of Orc Brigand (combat)
2 of Ogre (combat)
2 of Sorceror (combat)
3 of Deadbringer (2 x combat, exploration)
2 of Great Dragon (combat)

Fall of the Dark Star Scenario Pack

5 of Starborn Specter (3 x combat, 1 x exploration, 1 x social)
2 of Dark Priest (combat)
2 of Bandit (combat)

Caught in a Web Scenario Pack

4 of Arachyura (3 x combat, 1 x exploration)
4 of Cave Spider (3 x combat, 1 x exploration)
2 of Bane Spider (combat)
3 of Pestilence Swarm (combat, 2 x social)
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Dice with stickers????

Wow. I was going to get this game, now it's a pass.
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Registrau wrote:
Dice with stickers????

Wow. I was going to get this game, now it's a pass.


I wouldn't forget about it completely - FFG now seem able to print onto dice as they did for SW: Destiny. It's not inconceivable they will do the same thing for Runebound should they ever reprint (or release a dice pack).

If you check these forums you will find close up images - they aren't cheapo paper stickers but actually look pretty decent. A few people have reported them coming off but they seem fine to most people.
 
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As in all things, what is OK for some is not for others.

Perhaps it could be said that the fault is mine for not checking before I bought the game. However, I must admit to being quite shocked that a game costing £40 came with a sticker sheet to adhere images to each side of the dice.

I really do not like this at all. Apart from being fiddly to attach in the first place, I have had to attend to the fact that they have started to come away from the dice.

For the price of the game, I expect better than this. Whatever the intellectual design arguments in favour of stickers, I consider this to be a let down. There is no indication on the front cover of the game box that the dice require stickers to be attached.

This is a poor part of the game that mars an otherwise fine product. Low marks to FFG for this.
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Registrau wrote:
Dice with stickers????

Wow. I was going to get this game, now it's a pass.


The dice DO suck. And I think it's yet another sad symptom of what the 'new' FFG is becoming. But the game is fantastic, as are the rest of the components. Passing on the game just because of the dice seems kind of silly. You can always use glue / sealant etc. on the dice.
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quazai wrote:
Registrau wrote:
Dice with stickers????

Wow. I was going to get this game, now it's a pass.


The dice DO suck. And I think it's yet another sad symptom of what the 'new' FFG is becoming. But the game is fantastic, as are the rest of the components. Passing on the game just because of the dice seems kind of silly. You can always use glue / sealant etc. on the dice.


Yes you can. I haven't yet, but it is likely that I will have to. Indeed, the rest of the components are of a very good quality and aesthetically pleasing, but why oh why did they go for the stickers? Looking at the dice supplied with some of their other games, they could have done better than this.

It may well be a small thing to others, but it really does irk me that I have to play with these crappy dice.

One can hope that FFG will come to appreciate they pulled a cheap trick on their customers with this effort and offer upgraded dice that won't peel off when the central heating is on.

Oh for an app with a set of virtual dice for Runebound (3rd Ed).
 
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Registrau wrote:
Dice with stickers????
Wow. I was going to get this game, now it's a pass.
The worst thing is that it comes unstuck and you have to stick it on yourself. It's something that should have been done in the factory.
 
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Most people have had no problem with them coming off if applied carefully (which it sounds like you did). It might be worth contacting FFG for some more in case your sheet had a problem with the adhesive. Environmental conditions could also be a factor.

And if nothing else, you have a spare set in case one comes completely loose and gets lost.
 
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mouldybanana wrote:
The worst thing is that it comes unstuck and you have to stick it on yourself. It's something that should have been done in the factory.


Actually not sure I agree. If they were done in the factory it would surely be by a person no more competent than a typical gamer, rushing to get 2000 sets of dice stickered and likely being much less careful than the game's owner will be.

If it's got to be stickers, I'd much rather apply them myself. I did it, it took me about an hour but I was mega careful (I even kinda enjoyed it) and there's not the slightest sign of them coming off after over a year of play and more games than I can possibly count.
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Orion3T wrote:
mouldybanana wrote:
The worst thing is that it comes unstuck and you have to stick it on yourself. It's something that should have been done in the factory.


Actually not sure I agree. If they were done in the factory it would surely be by a person no more competent than a typical gamer, rushing to get 2000 sets of dice stickered and likely being much less careful than the game's owner will be.

If it's got to be stickers, I'd much rather apply them myself. I did it, it took me about an hour but I was mega careful (I even kinda enjoyed it) and there's not the slightest sign of them coming off after over a year of play and more games than I can possibly count.


Looks like I either made a poor job of applying the stickers, my environmental conditions are not correct, the adhesive may be lacking somewhat, or I may just be plain unlucky. That's a fair few steps to circumvent in order to roll a set of dice in the game.

FFG have released a number of games that make use of custom dice and before the release date of Runebound (3e). I respect the viewpoints of others and if they are happy with the stickered dice that's great. I stick by my opinion that these stickers are a bad design decision. It remains to be seen whether FFG take any steps to redress this type of grievance. Custom dice a la Mansions of Madnesss (2e) and other games being made available seperately, a digital app, or maybe even a set of graphics for the stickers so that we might make our own app,



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dougposkitt wrote:
Looks like I either made a poor job of applying the stickers, my environmental conditions are not correct, the adhesive may be lacking somewhat, or I may just be plain unlucky. That's a fair few steps to circumvent in order to roll a set of dice in the game.


Luck would only apply if it's problem 2 or 3. The first reason is entirely within your control, so actually there are just 2 potential problems we can suspect; not that much really.

But I wasn't actually defending the sticker decision itself. My point was that having decided it will be stickers, it's better to let us put them on ourselves than to have someone do a rush job on them in the factory (which it would undoubtedly be compared to how careful the average gamer is).

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FFG have released a number of games that make use of custom dice and before the release date of Runebound (3e). I respect the viewpoints of others and if they are happy with the stickered dice that's great. I stick by my opinion that these stickers are a bad design decision. It remains to be seen whether FFG take any steps to redress this type of grievance. Custom dice a la Mansions of Madnesss (2e) and other games being made available seperately, a digital app, or maybe even a set of graphics for the stickers so that we might make our own app,


Of course they can do custom dice, I never suggested otherwise. But not ones with detailed images printed on them like the images on Runebound dice. The first game they have done that for is Star Wars: Destiny. Sure, they could have used symbols and engraved dice, but personally I think the images are better.

So sure, one could argue for either engraved symbols or the stickers. I think that's very much personal preference and to suggest it's somehow objectively 'bad' seems to be overstating the case. It's a subjective issue and we can all have our own opinions.

Finally, my other point was that if someone has problems with their stickers, they can ask FFG and they will probably send another set. Not ideal, I agree, but also not a major issue.
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Orion3T wrote:
If they were done in the factory it would surely be by a person no more competent than a typical gamer rushing to get 2000 sets of dice stickered
That means they get to hone their techniques and skills. Practice makes perfect

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and likely being much less careful than the game's owner will be.
If they do a bodge job then FFG's QA department should be on top of things. As it stands FFG is outsourcing part of the factory work and QA to their customers
 
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