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Lukas Vitroler
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My side always loses when I am Merlin. Do you know why? Because I always get chosen for assassination regardless of whether I am Merlin or me.
Always at the end of the game when its time to kill, the bad guys always ponder: Is it Lukas or X? And I always get chosen 100%.
We always win when I am not Merlin and always lose when I am Merlin.

Does anyone else have a 100% getting killed record? Any idea how I can avoid it? I was even chosen once when I stayed completely silent the whole game (I was not merlin).
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Did you consider the option that your group plays badly as non-Merlins? When you are Merlin, others are obvious to not be Merlin. When you are not Merlin, it's either you or someone else.

Maybe you play well as non-Merlin, others don't?
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dannte wrote:
Did you consider the option that your group plays badly as non-Merlins? When you are Merlin, others are obvious to not be Merlin. When you are not Merlin, it's either you or someone else.

Maybe you play well as non-Merlin, others don't?


I agree. This may well be the result of others in your group not doing a good job of covering for you. Has Percival given you away (easily done)? Do the loyal servants talk enough to allow you to talk safely? It's a team game - Merlin needs his loyal servants to do their job properly. The guidance elsewhere on this site on how to play loyal servant of Arthur (and other roles) is very good - you should all read it.

However, if it's any comfort, I used to hate being Merlin, too. I played around 100 games of Avalon before I finally won my first game as Merlin (I'd only been Merlin about 8-10 times in that time, but still). Over half the time we simply lost. But when we won on missions, I always got assassinated. Of those, I knew I'd done a bad job two or three times, but the other times the spies really had no clue - but they meticulously eliminated everyone else as a possibility (not always for reasons that made sense, which was annoying), and that left me as the only option!

Since then, however, I have won about 90% of my games as Merlin. So it can turn around. I have certainly become a better player. We have all have got better at being loyal servants (which doesn't mean we don't screw up sometimes, because we do).

This can happen for you, too. Try to grit your teeth and not flinch when you pick up your card and see that grave, bearded face staring at you. Think positive. This eventually worked for me. And - just in case there is something - think if there is anything that you do or don't do that might give you away - and try to stop doing it (but I'm guessing it's probably not that).

I once won a game as Merlin when Percival whispered to the player next to him (Mordred!!!!) that I was Merlin. Mordred didn't believe Percival and made no demur when the Assassin picked someone else! Ha!

Good luck!
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lukasv90 wrote:
And I always get chosen 100%.
We always win when I am not Merlin and always lose when I am Merlin.

If you're always assassinated when you are not a minion, regardless of what happens in the game, then it's a metagame problem.

If the minions always choose the same person (excluding known minion), they get the exact average win rate possible, because then the choice is always random. They leave it to chance.

If the minions use what they saw during the game to choose Merlin, then a good play from other servants would help. (And you claiming to be Merlin could confuse them.)

So, do the spies really choose you 100% or not?

Who get's chosen when you're a minion?
 
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Sounds like a serious metagame issue. We haven't encountered it. Sure sounds like you can use it to your advantage most of the time, though. The chances of the enemy being right is less than 50%, so you'd actually win more often than not, right?
 
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dannte wrote:
Did you consider the option that your group plays badly as non-Merlins? When you are Merlin, others are obvious to not be Merlin. When you are not Merlin, it's either you or someone else.

Maybe you play well as non-Merlin, others don't?


That's definitely one reason. We usually play 5-6 player Avalon. Sometimes they really show it how clueless they are and then with 5 players, it's already only me and one other guy..

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dannte wrote:
Did you consider the option that your group plays badly as non-Merlins? When you are Merlin, others are obvious to not be Merlin. When you are not Merlin, it's either you or someone else.

Maybe you play well as non-Merlin, others don't?


I agree. This may well be the result of others in your group not doing a good job of covering for you. Has Percival given you away (easily done)? Do the loyal servants talk enough to allow you to talk safely? It's a team game - Merlin needs his loyal servants to do their job properly. The guidance elsewhere on this site on how to play loyal servant of Arthur (and other roles) is very good - you should all read it.

However, if it's any comfort, I used to hate being Merlin, too. I played around 100 games of Avalon before I finally won my first game as Merlin (I'd only been Merlin about 8-10 times in that time, but still). Over half the time we simply lost. But when we won on missions, I always got assassinated. Of those, I knew I'd done a bad job two or three times, but the other times the spies really had no clue - but they meticulously eliminated everyone else as a possibility (not always for reasons that made sense, which was annoying), and that left me as the only option!

Since then, however, I have won about 90% of my games as Merlin. So it can turn around. I have certainly become a better player. We have all have got better at being loyal servants (which doesn't mean we don't screw up sometimes, because we do).

This can happen for you, too. Try to grit your teeth and not flinch when you pick up your card and see that grave, bearded face staring at you. Think positive. This eventually worked for me. And - just in case there is something - think if there is anything that you do or don't do that might give you away - and try to stop doing it (but I'm guessing it's probably not that).

I once won a game as Merlin when Percival whispered to the player next to him (Mordred!!!!) that I was Merlin. Mordred didn't believe Percival and made no demur when the Assassin picked someone else! Ha!

Good luck!


We only play Merlin and Assassin with 5-6. Should we include other roles? Thanks, I will check out the guide for Merlin, maybe I can read something that helps me hide it better. Yeah I hate it when people choose me for reasons that make no sense! I love the game so I always try to stay positive!

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lukasv90 wrote:
And I always get chosen 100%.
We always win when I am not Merlin and always lose when I am Merlin.

If you're always assassinated when you are not a minion, regardless of what happens in the game, then it's a metagame problem.

If the minions always choose the same person (excluding known minion), they get the exact average win rate possible, because then the choice is always random. They leave it to chance.

If the minions use what they saw during the game to choose Merlin, then a good play from other servants would help. (And you claiming to be Merlin could confuse them.)

So, do the spies really choose you 100% or not?

Who get's chosen when you're a minion?


Yeah, the spies 100% choose me when I am not a minion. Regardless of how I play and I really tried to switch it up a lot (both as minion, servant and merlin). When I am a minion we usually finish the game before the good guys get to 3 mission wins, so no one gets chosen.

ayejae wrote:
Sounds like a serious metagame issue. We haven't encountered it. Sure sounds like you can use it to your advantage most of the time, though. The chances of the enemy being right is less than 50%, so you'd actually win more often than not, right?


I wish that were so. The last 8 times I was on the good side I got the Merlin card. >.<
 
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With 5 we often play with Merlin, Morgana, Percival, Mordred/Assassin, Loyal Servant.
 
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I would hate playing Merlin if my group was generally the quiet type. If none of the good guys are talking much (because they're thinking "I'm generic, how can I contribute anything?) then it's so hard to do anything without outing yourself. That's why when I'm generic blue, I jump on any random thing to start throwing accusations, then I pay attention to who unreasonably believes me or disagrees with me.
 
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lukasv90 wrote:
My side always loses when I am Merlin. Do you know why? Because I always get chosen for assassination regardless of whether I am Merlin or me.
Always at the end of the game when its time to kill, the bad guys always ponder: Is it Lukas or X? And I always get chosen 100%.
We always win when I am not Merlin and always lose when I am Merlin.

Does anyone else have a 100% getting killed record? Any idea how I can avoid it? I was even chosen once when I stayed completely silent the whole game (I was not merlin).


I strongly believe it is the issue of non-Merlino players playing at a lower level. Not to be mean but that's just the truth, especially when you mentioned that you/Merlino players get chosen most of the time.

I sucked and hated being Merlino, I got caught and got called out after the games, saying that I was too obvious and such, sometimes even playing as an Evil character.

However what I think what helped me improve overall as a player, was that at some point I kept getting Loyal Servant, and I started taking Loyal Servant seriously, as in I found fun in starting with no knowledge/power.

Think of it as playing like a detective, learn to pick up hints and clues, read others' behaviors and tells, calculate possible scenarios in your head based on votes, quest outcomes, and players' habits/stories.

Eventually people started picking me as Merlin every time, and I wasn't most of the time; taking the blade for Merlin is a good feeling (and weird when you put it like that), because it proves that you made plays.

Afterwards when I play as Merlin, I barely lost because I was able to hide myself using fake votes and including Evil in my missions whenever I get to pick.

Also though, like what others said, it is vital that all Good players contribute as equally as possible throughout the whole game. Yes it is a meta issue, and I hope your group overcomes it because it gets better after this.
 
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