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I'd like to have a thoughtful exchange regarding Hillary's email server. I've done some research regarding statements on both sides of the issue and I'm trying to locate facts rather than finger pointing and blame shifting. Maybe I don't know where to look.

My first question is this: If the Governmental agency you work for provides a secured system for your work related email traffic, what are some valid reasons for processing work related email outside of that secure system?

I know that sounds like a troll question, but if there is a non-nefarious reason, I'd like to know and understand it.
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I'm tired of hearing about her damn e-mails.

Trump has at least 20 scandals of more concern.
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http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/jul/19/...

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/07/a-guide-to-clintons-emails/
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I'm not sure other than convenience of having only one account especially if you handle a crazy amount of email.

I have two accounts, one for professional stuff and one for personal stuff but my personal-stuff account only really handles the rare board game order. If I had multiple accounts each with a huge amount of email, I could imagine getting confused way more often than I already do.

There may be other good reasons (besides getting overwhelmed with email like I do) as there was a list of public officials that used their own email server including Colin Powell IIRC.
 
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I'd like to have a thoughtful exchange regarding Hillary's email server. I've done some research regarding statements on both sides of the issue and I'm trying to locate facts rather than finger pointing and blame shifting. Maybe I don't know where to look.

My first question is this: If the Governmental agency you work for provides a secured system for your work related email traffic, what are some valid reasons for processing work related email outside of that secure system?

I know that sounds like a troll question, but if there is a non-nefarious reason, I'd like to know and understand it.


As sec state plausible denial of certain dealings contradictory to what people esp foreign leaders are saying publicly.

Government email possibly painfully antiquated.

In the first case they should use email anyway. Nor written communications where possible.
 
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okiedokie wrote:
I'd like to have a thoughtful exchange regarding Hillary's email server. I've done some research regarding statements on both sides of the issue and I'm trying to locate facts rather than finger pointing and blame shifting. Maybe I don't know where to look.

My first question is this: If the Governmental agency you work for provides a secured system for your work related email traffic, what are some valid reasons for processing work related email outside of that secure system?

I know that sounds like a troll question, but if there is a non-nefarious reason, I'd like to know and understand it.


State department did NOT provide it.
And there are ZERO valid reasons.
 
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TheDashi wrote:
okiedokie wrote:
I'd like to have a thoughtful exchange regarding Hillary's email server. I've done some research regarding statements on both sides of the issue and I'm trying to locate facts rather than finger pointing and blame shifting. Maybe I don't know where to look.

My first question is this: If the Governmental agency you work for provides a secured system for your work related email traffic, what are some valid reasons for processing work related email outside of that secure system?

I know that sounds like a troll question, but if there is a non-nefarious reason, I'd like to know and understand it.


State department did NOT provide it.
And there are ZERO valid reasons.


Thank you for your thoughtful contribution.
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Shampoo4you wrote:

I'm tired of hearing about her damn e-mails.

Trump has at least 20 scandals of more concern.


Well, then this thread is not for you.
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TheDashi wrote:
okiedokie wrote:
I'd like to have a thoughtful exchange regarding Hillary's email server. I've done some research regarding statements on both sides of the issue and I'm trying to locate facts rather than finger pointing and blame shifting. Maybe I don't know where to look.

My first question is this: If the Governmental agency you work for provides a secured system for your work related email traffic, what are some valid reasons for processing work related email outside of that secure system?

I know that sounds like a troll question, but if there is a non-nefarious reason, I'd like to know and understand it.


State department did NOT provide it.
And there are ZERO valid reasons.


Thank you for your thoughtful contribution.


Where am I wrong?
 
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maxo-texas wrote:


Thanks, these are good resources.
 
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TheDashi wrote:
okiedokie wrote:
I'd like to have a thoughtful exchange regarding Hillary's email server. I've done some research regarding statements on both sides of the issue and I'm trying to locate facts rather than finger pointing and blame shifting. Maybe I don't know where to look.

My first question is this: If the Governmental agency you work for provides a secured system for your work related email traffic, what are some valid reasons for processing work related email outside of that secure system?

I know that sounds like a troll question, but if there is a non-nefarious reason, I'd like to know and understand it.


State department did NOT provide it.
And there are ZERO valid reasons.


Well, I know the State department didn't provide the server at her residence. I was referring to the State dept providing her with an email address and she refused to use it.

My understanding is that the server in question was set up for her prior Presidential campaign and she just started routing work email through it.
 
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okiedokie wrote:


They really arent.
 
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Politifact is overrun with video ads, so you're correct there. Factcheck seems to be fairly even handed.

I'm willing to read whatever you'd like to provide.

I found a good timeline here:

https://sharylattkisson.com/hillary-clintons-email-the-defin...
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The gov't email systems (and systems in general) were very antiquated. Clinton did a slightly different spin on a common(ie last few SoS had done something akin) work around.

Her ststed initial reason was that emails were linked to lrovided blackberry pbones, phones which would not process any more than one account (who uses blackberry anymore?) so that by using the provided servers if she wanted a lerson and 'work' email she would need to cart around 2 blackberries, keeping informstion in two places etc etc. She thiught it would be easier to use one phone for sll her email on the go, which has grown exponentially in the last decade as a part of business and life.

She's said in hindsight she wouldn't do it again because two blackberries is easier than 10 investigstions (paraphrasing)
 
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I work in the private sector, so I have no idea about government e-mail systems.
 
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Shadrach wrote:
The gov't email systems (and systems in general) were very antiquated. Clinton did a slightly different spin on a common(ie last few SoS had done something akin) work around.

Her ststed initial reason was that emails were linked to lrovided blackberry pbones, phones which would not process any more than one account (who uses blackberry anymore?) so that by using the provided servers if she wanted a lerson and 'work' email she would need to cart around 2 blackberries, keeping informstion in two places etc etc. She thiught it would be easier to use one phone for sll her email on the go, which has grown exponentially in the last decade as a part of business and life.

She's said in hindsight she wouldn't do it again because two blackberries is easier than 10 investigstions (paraphrasing)


I work for the Federal government and I don't know what is so antiquated about using Microsoft Outlook for email. I keep hearing how horrible the email service was, but I've not heard of specifics that would cause someone to bypass it.

poltifact wrote:

Did other secretaries of state use personal emails for government business?

The IG report confirmed what we had previously written: Among Clinton’s predecessors, only Colin Powell (Jan. 20, 2001–Jan. 26, 2005) used a personal email account for government business. Madeleine Albright (Jan. 23, 1997–Jan. 20, 2001) did not use email at all, and Condoleezza Rice (Jan. 26, 2005–Jan. 20, 2009) did not use a personal email account to conduct government business, the IG report said. Clinton’s successor, Secretary of State John Kerry, told the inspector general’s office that he “infrequently” used a personal email account for government business “when responding to a sender who emailed him on his personal account.”

No other secretary of state maintained a private server that was used for government business.
 
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okiedokie wrote:
Shadrach wrote:
The gov't email systems (and systems in general) were very antiquated. Clinton did a slightly different spin on a common(ie last few SoS had done something akin) work around.

Her ststed initial reason was that emails were linked to lrovided blackberry pbones, phones which would not process any more than one account (who uses blackberry anymore?) so that by using the provided servers if she wanted a lerson and 'work' email she would need to cart around 2 blackberries, keeping informstion in two places etc etc. She thiught it would be easier to use one phone for sll her email on the go, which has grown exponentially in the last decade as a part of business and life.

She's said in hindsight she wouldn't do it again because two blackberries is easier than 10 investigstions (paraphrasing)


I work for the Federal government and I don't know what is so antiquated about using Microsoft Outlook for email. I keep hearing how horrible the email service was, but I've not heard of specifics that would cause someone to bypass it.

poltifact wrote:

Did other secretaries of state use personal emails for government business?

The IG report confirmed what we had previously written: Among Clinton’s predecessors, only Colin Powell (Jan. 20, 2001–Jan. 26, 2005) used a personal email account for government business. Madeleine Albright (Jan. 23, 1997–Jan. 20, 2001) did not use email at all, and Condoleezza Rice (Jan. 26, 2005–Jan. 20, 2009) did not use a personal email account to conduct government business, the IG report said. Clinton’s successor, Secretary of State John Kerry, told the inspector general’s office that he “infrequently” used a personal email account for government business “when responding to a sender who emailed him on his personal account.”

No other secretary of state maintained a private server that was used for government business.


Ever use Lotus Notes? I did at one gig, 10 min in and I'd have done so. As for outlook, its likely dependent on performance. Repeated outages, slow processing, maybe some shit just keeps routing around forever because your admin sucks. Also depends on your overall AD admins as its all tied together. If the email sucks, the entire network likely has issues.
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[q="Shadrach"]The gov't email systems (and systems in general) were very antiquated. Clinton did a slightly different spin on a common(ie last few SoS had done something akin) work around.

Her ststed initial reason was that emails were linked to lrovided blackberry pbones, phones which would not process any more than one account (who uses blackberry anymore?) so that by using the provided servers if she wanted a lerson and 'work' email she would need to cart around 2 blackberries, keeping informstion in two places etc etc. She thiught it would be easier to use one phone for sll her email on the go, which has grown exponentially in the last decade as a part of business and life.

She's said in hindsight she wouldn't do it again because two blackberries is easier than 10 investigstions (paraphrasing)


I work for the Federal government and I don't know what is so antiquated about using Microsoft Outlook for email. I keep hearing how horrible the email service was, but I've not heard of specifics that would cause someone to bypass it.

poltifact]
Did other secretaries of state use personal emails for government business?

The IG report confirmed what we had previously written: Among Clinton’s predecessors, only Colin Powell (Jan. 20, 2001–Jan. 26, 2005) used a personal email account for government business. Madeleine Albright (Jan. 23, 1997–Jan. 20, 2001) did not use email at all, and Condoleezza Rice (Jan. 26, 2005–Jan. 20, 2009) did not use a personal email account to conduct government business, the IG report said. Clinton’s successor, Secretary of State John Kerry, told the inspector general’s office that he “infrequently” used a personal email account for government business “when responding to a sender who emailed him on his personal account.”

No other secretary of state maintained a private server that was used for government business.
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I could have sworn there was a second SoS who used it. Maybe it was another official and I am misremembering. Though I will point out that Merry would most definitely say 'infrequently' is asked, as would anyone else with half a lick of sense right now, no matter what the truth.

Can you speak to emails being linked to a single phone or not in the State Dept?
 
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Here's the thing. Wasn't HRC's email server set up by the Secret Service? If it wasn't secure, why wasn't it?
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Here's the thing. Wasn't HRC's email server set up by the Secret Service? If it wasn't secure, why wasn't it?


So she could evade FOIA...
She does what she wants?
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whac3 wrote:
Here's the thing. Wasn't HRC's email server set up by the Secret Service? If it wasn't secure, why wasn't it?


Not sure why the Secret Service would set up an email server for a campaign. I've heard this brought up a few times but have not found anything to substantiate it.

One possible reason it wasn't secure is that it very difficult, if not impossible, to secure mobile devices. The state department had offered to set up a desktop unit for her emails, but she wanted mobile device access.
 
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TheDashi wrote:
maxo-texas wrote:
TheDashi wrote:
okiedokie wrote:
I'd like to have a thoughtful exchange regarding Hillary's email server. I've done some research regarding statements on both sides of the issue and I'm trying to locate facts rather than finger pointing and blame shifting. Maybe I don't know where to look.

My first question is this: If the Governmental agency you work for provides a secured system for your work related email traffic, what are some valid reasons for processing work related email outside of that secure system?

I know that sounds like a troll question, but if there is a non-nefarious reason, I'd like to know and understand it.


State department did NOT provide it.
And there are ZERO valid reasons.


Thank you for your thoughtful contribution.


Where am I wrong?


Where do I start. It's like the al smith dinner. Okie asks for a thoughtful discussion. You start out at "11" and don't provide any support for your opinion.

It's not even about whether you are right and wrong but your starting intensity and tone. And blasting an unsupported opinion isn't "thoughtful" either.

So, it's both extreme and thoughtless.

So how about.. dialing it back a notch. Getting some undisputed facts to base your conclusion on. Like read the two sites I posted and pull out the points that support your position.
 
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maxo-texas wrote:
TheDashi wrote:
maxo-texas wrote:
TheDashi wrote:
okiedokie wrote:
I'd like to have a thoughtful exchange regarding Hillary's email server. I've done some research regarding statements on both sides of the issue and I'm trying to locate facts rather than finger pointing and blame shifting. Maybe I don't know where to look.

My first question is this: If the Governmental agency you work for provides a secured system for your work related email traffic, what are some valid reasons for processing work related email outside of that secure system?

I know that sounds like a troll question, but if there is a non-nefarious reason, I'd like to know and understand it.


State department did NOT provide it.
And there are ZERO valid reasons.


Thank you for your thoughtful contribution.


Where am I wrong?


Where do I start. It's like the al smith dinner. Okie asks for a thoughtful discussion. You start out at "11" and don't provide any support for your opinion.

It's not even about whether you are right and wrong but your starting intensity and tone. And blasting an unsupported opinion isn't "thoughtful" either.

So, it's both extreme and thoughtless.


The state department did not set it up.
Do I need to explain more on that?
Do I need to define the word NOT?
 
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okiedokie wrote:
I'd like to have a thoughtful exchange regarding Hillary's email server.


First off - thank you for calling it a 'server', because that is what it was: an entire communications server, and not simply a single email account.
 
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Politifact is overrun with video ads, so you're correct there. Factcheck seems to be fairly even handed.

I'm willing to read whatever you'd like to provide.

I found a good timeline here:

https://sharylattkisson.com/hillary-clintons-email-the-defin...


Sorry about the ads, I don't see them. I use a plugin called "noscript" that kills unapproved javascript execution. They have been a malware vector a few times now (even from google i think).
 
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