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http://www.color-blindness.com/coblis-color-blindness-simula...

Pretty cool. Terraforming Mars is pretty bad for red-blind and blue-blind.

I've read a lot on this site about people who are color blind and bad-color choices, and man, I do feel sorry for people who have some form of this and are board game geeks; they really really have to pay close attention.

Definite eye-opener (no pun, is that a pun? intended)

Normal vision



With red-blind



blue-blind

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It's terrible. I remember needing to memorize cards or spaces on boards in games like Robinson Crusoe and Broom Service. Other times I would pick starts that avoided color.

More designers need to just have symbols!

And not only that, but there are even some who think we're just making it up how difficult or unenjoyable it is to play some games: https://boardgamegeek.com/article/24022928#24022928
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I will always appreciate the patience of my buddies I played pool with. After seeing me line up a shot on the brown, thinking it was one of the reds, a few too many times they took to dusting up the brown ball with the cue chalk for me.

I have learned that the upside to colour blindness is the opportunities you gain to see how kind your gaming opponents can be.
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You can download a phone app called "CVSimulator" that uses your phone camera and a color filter to show various forms of color blindness. I tried to solve my rubiks cube using it and it was very hard.

I don't have anyone in my game group who is color blind, but most of the games in my small collection should be playable for anyone who was. Most of them have pictures on the board or cards that are not heavily dependant on color. The exception being ticket to ride, which does have shapes.
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I know it's a relatively new site, but Meeple Like Us - http://meeplelikeus.co.uk/ - including colourblindness ratings in their accessibility teardowns really helps.

My vision is awful, and mixed with colourblindness it does make certain board games a bit tough. You can tell which designers have considered it or not easily by looking at the backs of different cards & the boards themselves. Subtle colour differences are really rubbish.

A lot of games make up for it somewhat by including great symbols to show what's what (I'd really mark down Fantasy Flight games if their cards didn't have 'em), but in terms of game boards...yeah, it's a mess.
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NowOrNever88 wrote:
And not only that, but there are even some who think we're just making it up how difficult or unenjoyable it is to play some games: https://boardgamegeek.com/article/24022928#24022928

WTH??? My son is R/G colorblind and I'd slap the **** out of someone for talking to him like that. You win the patience award for that thread.
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Red-blind



Blue-blind



Jeez louise.

That is incredible. How anyone can be so ignorant as to say you're faking or exaggerating? Even the top one isn't easy for me, and either red or blue weak is almost impossible. If you can't see the color outline, the icons are barely distinctive.

You, my friend, were very patient on that thread.

Maybe even worse:

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Red weak



Green Blind



If I've ever taken this lightly or not given it the attention it deserves, I gotta apologize. I had no idea how hard that can be.

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There's an upcoming game called Stroop. It's a real time reaction game which employs the Stroop Effect. It occurred to me that this could be the first time color blind players might have a significant advantage in a game.
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NowOrNever88 wrote:
It's terrible. I remember needing to memorize cards or spaces on boards in games like Robinson Crusoe and Broom Service. Other times I would pick starts that avoided color.

More designers need to just have symbols!

And not only that, but there are even some who think we're just making it up how difficult or unenjoyable it is to play some games: https://boardgamegeek.com/article/24022928#24022928


Agreed. But they need to be clear and reasonably obvious.

I love the TtR series for their clear symbols. They really make the game for me.

Luckily my usual gaming group are a) aware and b) considerate. I will get asked at the start if I have problems with the particular game and allowances are made.

One rare exception was DreamWell. I played that and it was more BadNightmare. To be fair I posted a negative comment against my ranking and the designer got back to me with an apology and a request for more information on my experience. So I went back to the store and checked the copy I played. Only then did I notice there were actually (unobtrusive) symbols as well. If I ever play it again it will be a much better experience, but it is unlikely to happen.

One major advantage for me (not game related) is that my night vision is considerably better than most. I recently heard this is quite common.

And oddly, I can often spot subtle differences in colour that "normal" people miss. Probably because I pay more attention to the tonal variation.
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Just curious if anyone who is responded that has color blindness has ever tried EnChroma corrective glasses or similar products and if they work?
 
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Never tried any of the corrective glasses etc.

For games, I kickstarted Scoville as it boasted of colour blind friendliness. Really wasn't helpful for me. Had to keep asking people what colour chilis were used in which recipes so it tipped my hand as to what I was trying to complete

That game review site mentioned above is excellent, I've been working my way through it over the past few weeks.
 
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I have a friend who is colorblind. I recently got Roll for the Galaxy but after reading the rules I was a bit incredulous that the allowances for colorblindness would actually be effective since it relies so much on color, but I liked the game. So I took it to game night and I showed my friend the game and he said he'd give it a try. We played and he said he actually enjoyed the game and would play again. So kudos to the RGG for producing a fun game and designing an accessible game!
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turbocooler wrote:
Just curious if anyone who is responded that has color blindness has ever tried EnChroma corrective glasses or similar products and if they work?

I haven't tried them, but I did talk about them to an optometrist. She basically said they were nonsense. She pointed out that if the cones (rods??) are missing or faulty, no amount of colour tinted lenses will fix the problem. At best, they can mute all the other colours down to the same level as the defective ones.

Many years ago I did come across some specially tinted sunglasses designed for the snow that made colours seem brighter. I wondered if they corrected my colour vision even partially and had some tests done. Nope still colour blind with them on.
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civet5285 wrote:


Normal vision



blue-blind



They look identical
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civet5285 wrote:

Definite eye-opener (no pun, is that a pun? intended)


Yes, that's a pun. I think anything eye-related would qualify in this context, but especially anything related to the ability (or inability) to see, of which this one is the former.

civet5285 wrote:

I've read a lot on this site about people who are color blind and bad-color choices, and man, I do feel sorry for people who have some form of this and are board game geeks; they really really have to pay close attention.


I agree. I'm not colourblind myself, but I have played in groups with colourblind players, so I've experienced a shade of their pain by proxy (ie: taking time to pick distinguishable colours of meeples, or helping them keep track when that's not possible.)

(pun ALSO not intended, btw. I didn't notice it until I was re-reading; decided to leave it in. Please don't hate me )

Considering how surprisingly common the condition is (Red-blind is something like 1 in 7 for men, I think?) it's really a shame that more board game designers don't take this into consideration. A few symbols, a little time spent on meeple colour selection. It doesn't take much, certainly doesn't require reworking any actual rules for your game. And websites/apps like this that let someone with normal vision literally see what their game looks like in different colourblind scenarios only makes it that much easier to fix.
 
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bradelli wrote:
They look identical

Then you have some type of color blindness, right?

(Or a badly adjusted monitor. Or a monochrome monitor. Or are just joking and I didn't get it...)


Edited to add: of course the 3 images in the original post are all different from one another.
 
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russ wrote:
bradelli wrote:
They look identical

Then you have some type of color blindness, right?

(Or a badly adjusted monitor. Or a monochrome monitor. Or are just joking and I didn't get it...)

Quite seriously, Those two look different to me, but the first two in the original post look identical. And yes, I am Red-Green colour blind.
Blue-Yellow is much rarer. Though still more common than Total.
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Red-weak/blind


Blue weak/blind


Yeah, I see several of those chili meeples that really are difficult to distinguish.
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The first 2 pictures look the same to me. shake
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turbocooler wrote:
Just curious if anyone who is responded that has color blindness has ever tried EnChroma corrective glasses or similar products and if they work?


I'm also curious about this. I read the science behind them and it made sense to me. I haven't found a shop yet where I can try a pair though.

A product like this would easily sell itself if it works.
 
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Yeah, and that means brown, green, red and orange all look like slightly different shades of grey-green.

On a board:

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Red weak/blind



Blue weak/blind



Either green and red (in the first) or red and yellow (in the second) are really difficult on that board to distinguish.
 
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My brother and my youngest son are both color blind. I play a lot of games with my son and often forget about it. I remember when we first played Battlestar Galactica with him. We were worried about the skill checks, but we simply said the types of cards (pilot, engineering, etc.) and moved on. Hasn't effected or ability to play or enjoyment of playing games in any way.
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I kickstarted Scoville as it boasted of colour blind friendliness. Really wasn't helpful for me. Had to keep asking people what colour chilis were used in which recipes so it tipped my hand as to what I was trying to complete


Even those of us without colourblindeness struggle with this one, the chilli colours printed on the cards are so close together they are hard to distinguish between one another, especially from over a table.... I cant believe they marketed themselves as colourblind friendly!
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I've known people who use sharpies to mark up cards so color blind players can make out what colors they are. Games included Taj Mahal (by Knizia) and Race For The Galaxy. Worked out quite well!


voodoochyl wrote:
My brother and my youngest son are both color blind. I play a lot of games with my son and often forget about it. I remember when we first played Battlestar Galactica with him. We were worried about the skill checks, but we simply said the types of cards (pilot, engineering, etc.) and moved on. Hasn't effected or ability to play or enjoyment of playing games in any way.
Glad we didn't have any color blind people with us because 1 person (for some reason) simply couldn't refer to the skill cards by name. When one person said he needed to draw 2 Leadership and 2 Tactics and 1 Piloting, he'd get flustered and just ask us what colors those were.
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Thank you for responding -- I learned something.
 
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