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I agree with Cenq. There is so much waste that this is a complete dick move. The veterans should be allowed to keep the money since they can't take back the extra years of their lives they gave up due to those bonuses.

I'd contract your representatives to get this thing shut down. $20 million for our veterans is worth it.

I wrote to my representative tonight.

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Didn't see it. Just finished writing my representative on this.

I'll look for it.
 
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The recruiters who committed the fraud should be held liable.
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The "gist" of this was THAT they 'declared' L-O-N-G AFTERWARDS from whenever they began all of it as "illegal" now, since SOME imbeciles "mistakenly believed" it was conducted FULLY AWARE at their time of signings, it was 'illicit'.
shake "don't "B"!" that GUY, Buddy
 
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ImaSokpupet wrote:
The soldiers should return the money to the federal government. THey need to sue the recruiters who misrepresented the bonuses, if they acted based upon the army's agents misrepresentation then they might have been damaged and are eligible for compensation.


Nope... the government needs to sue the recruiters, as the recruiters were acting as government agents at the time and promised the recruits money in order to compel them to serve.

IE, the government, if it demands the money back, defrauded those recruits in order to secure their military service.
 
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ImaSokpupet wrote:
The soldiers should return the money to the federal government. THey need to sue the recruiters who misrepresented the bonuses, if they acted based upon the army's agents misrepresentation then they might have been damaged and are eligible for compensation.

In the vast majority of cases that money is long spent. I read a story of one vet who had to take out a second mortgage on his house to pay back his bill.

It's not the soldiers' fault that this happened (except, from what I heard, in a very small handful of cases where the "soldier" committed the fraud and then didn't serve). If the soldier served their reenlistment, then they should be able to keep the money.

Evidently, Congress was informed about this years ago and failed to act. I'm more than a little upset about that on both sides of the aisle.
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maxo-texas wrote:
Didn't see it. Just finished writing my representative on this.

I'll look for it.
It was a thread with no indication of subject in title:
https://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/1659976/can-we-even-agr...
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Thinly and tangentially related some employees in our school district had been receiving slightly too much pay per month for years due to a miscalculation on the district's part. Because they are government funds it was considered an inappropriate gift of public funds and they required the employees to pay it back. The monthly amount was not that big but over the course of years it amounted to several thousand dollars for some employees.

In the militaries case there was a promise made for time served, coming back after the time is served seems like a violation of the contract. Arguing that the one dictating the terms of the contract did it wrong after they received the benefit seems morally bankrupt. It is hard to argue that the recruiter was not acting as an authorized agent of the state and that the recruit didn't have an expectation that what they were telling them was in fact true and proper.
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The recruiters who committed the fraud should be held liable.


Fucking A, bubba, fucking A.

And guess what? The government folded...

http://us.cnn.com/2016/10/26/politics/carter-suspends-bonus-...

Kudos to the LA Times for breaking this, and all the other Cali media outlets that pressed the issue. THIS is what journalism is supposed to do -- grill the shit out of the government.
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Sadly, this might be too little too late for some. The repayments have caused some severe hardships for people trying to pay the money back, including principal AND interest the Feds were trying to collect. A sad story, that only gets corrected when it went public to the media, and they were willing to air it. Shows you the power of the public eye to discover and uncover wrongdoing.
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Dispaminite wrote:
We already have this topic.


The other thread had a shitty clickbait title.
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Ilthuain wrote:
Dispaminite wrote:
We already have this topic.


The other thread had a shitty clickbait title.


We can agree on that.
 
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abadolato01 wrote:
Sadly, this might be too little too late for some. The repayments have caused some severe hardships for people trying to pay the money back, including principal AND interest the Feds were trying to collect. A sad story, that only gets corrected when it went public to the media, and they were willing to air it. Shows you the power of the public eye to discover and uncover wrongdoing.


But will the repayments be repaid?
 
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Then, they'll REPAY those folks accordingly, and state: "sorry sorry sorry!"; although their 'sorrinesses' WERE already a "given & taken" as per S.O.P.
 
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Jythier wrote:
abadolato01 wrote:
Sadly, this might be too little too late for some. The repayments have caused some severe hardships for people trying to pay the money back, including principal AND interest the Feds were trying to collect. A sad story, that only gets corrected when it went public to the media, and they were willing to air it. Shows you the power of the public eye to discover and uncover wrongdoing.


But will the repayments be repaid?


Good question, knowing the Feds, I doubt it, they probably cant tell how much each has repaid, with their accounting practices. A simple "Sorry" letter is probably all they poor people will get.
 
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I think putting blame on the Soldiers is pretty creepy. The government should bite the bullet on this, and go after those who deceived in order to get recruitment numbers up. This is definitely not the guy at the end of the chains issue. I would be OK with congress to enact a relief fund and take this at a loss. But of course they won't.
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I don't know, Congress is just about to go to elections. If it becomes a bigger issue in the next couple days, maybe they'll do something about it.
 
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I heard good news on this already today!

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bjlillo wrote:
To add insult to injury, they're trying to recover the full amount of the bonus which had taxes taken out of it. The soldier would then have to go deal with the IRS to get the taxes paid back.


Claiming a Section 1341 refundable credit may (possibly) get your money back with minimal hassle the next time you file a tax return. However, requesting a Section 1341 refundable credit prevents electronic filing of a tax return (at least it did in 2013, the last time I did a Section 1341 refundable credit), but perhaps that has changed.

You will lose out on the FICA and medicare payroll taxes, but if I am not mistaken, perhaps military members are not subject to the FICA/medicare tax? I am not sure about that, I don't have any clients that are active military.

Not quite as cumbersome as one might think, but still a complete pain in the ass.
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