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Dave Schmidt
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The BGG entry says this game takes 3.5 hours. What is the usual length for 4 new players (with two of those players having played Maria) ?

I want to play this at a Friday game night, we usually get started around 8pm after some visiting and then try to be done by 11 or midnight. Is this remotely feasible or am I kidding myself?
 
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With all new players it's quite pssible Prussia will collapse very early so I don't think it's impossible. If Prussia figures out how to play very quickly it can take longer.
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Would you say it's best for the players with experience playing Maria to play as Prussia or does it not really matter?
 
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The players who have played Maria may have misconceptions about strategy since it's quite different but are probably better to understand the concept ocerall.

I would give Prussia to the strongest overall player (in games in general).
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I find the game goes more quickly only if the Prussia player plays poorly or the Hands of Fate doesn't eliminate anyone quickly. Otherwise 3.5 hours is what it takes us.
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playing time depends the most on the game length in turns. You can plan with 4 turns per hous. That means, a 12 turn game would take 3 hours, while a full 23 turn game, woule take 5.75 hours. -- An early Prussian break down is anything between 8 and 12 turns, while a good Prussian player can make it to 20+ turns.

I have experienced games with less than 2 hours and with 6 hours. Everything is possible.

However, even with Maria-experience it is very likely that Prussia will collapse in ca. turn 15, so 3.5 hours is a reasonable guess.

You can also take a look at the Friedrich World Championship (FWC) statistics, at http://histogame.de/FWM2016/e_statistik.html

When you scroll to the end, you can find the playing times for all 37 games and the average.
Minimum: 1h 45m
Maximum: 7h 07m
Average: 3h 53m
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I would also recommend to prepare the cards of fate so Elizabeth doesn't come up too early. I would pick out five cards (not Elizabeth) and place them on top. If Elizabeth dies early (turn 6-7) it might be a quite boring experience for the russian player.
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How did it go?
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Hasn't happened yet, we are hopefully going to play it on the 18th of November
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