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R Hilton
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I am very pleased that OSS re-printed this game. But given how faithful the reprint is to the original 1976 title, I was surprised at one change that was made.

Specifically, in the current reprint, the values of German corps in trench status (their flip side) are 1-6-2, the same as for corps of all other nations. In the original, the values of German corps when in trench status were 2-8-2. I gave away my copy of the original game some time ago, so my memory could be hazy on this.

Does anyone know whether this change (if accurate) was intentional or not? If intentional, it would seem to be significant.

Thanks.
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See below on BGG. If that does not answer your question, I will dig my original copy out and check the counters.

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The file you referred me to is a counter manifest for the original 1976 game. Thanks for directing me to that.

It indeed indicates that the values on the Trench (flipped) side of the German corps in the earlier edition are 2-8-2, and not 1-6-2 as they are in the current edition of the game. To be clear, the values on the Assault (front) side of German corps are 4-4 in both the current edition and the original 1976 version of the game (and compare to values of 3-4 on the front side of corps counters for all other nations in both editions).

So that seems to indicate that my memory is not faulty. Good to know.

Now I am still wondering was this change from the original edition intentional, or unintentional. I suspect the latter (but I'm only guessing), because it would seem to represent a fairly significant change, whereas in virtually all other aspects the current reprint is faithful to the original edition of the game.

Anyone have any insight into this? Thanks.
 
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Now I am still wondering was this change from the original edition intentional, or unintentional. I suspect the latter


I have no idea, and until you pointed it out I would not have know. However, giving the other slips in what is a relatively straightforward game, I tend to agree with you
 
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If it is true (that the values on the Trench side of the German corps are supposed to be 2-8-2, and not 1-6-2), then it is a most unfortunate oversight. I can live with a mis-labelled province on a map, or other such cosmetic error. But for me, wrong combat values on combat units is a bit too much of a distraction, one that takes some of the fun away from playing. Wonder if OSS might provide some kind of a fix.

Oh well.
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From a somewhat cryptic message on CSW seems that OSS has indeed worked on some errata counters, it doesn't spells out which kind and how many of them, unfortunately


 
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From the Errata page for this game, available on the OSS website, they write:

"The Segment, Month, & Year counters were inadvertently omitted from the counter sheet. Use a blank counter (we will print new ones and make them available)," and
"Typo: 6-4 AH counters are labeled as corps, they are armies."

Hopefully this issue is now also on their radar.
 
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What about the issue that Nation ID are not on the back of the counters, maybe not a biggie but the German and Austrian counters are indistinguishable on their backs. Yet this is when you need to ID them for attrition costs.

The whole game comes across as a bit sloppy
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The icon colors for the Germans and Austrians are virtually indistinguishable from one another, although I believe that they are slightly different (it may be next to impossible tell the difference in low light). Having the national IDs on the back of each counter would be helpful in this regard. Of course, if the German combat factors on the corps units were correctly printed, those alone would make clear whether the unit was German (2-8-2) or Austrian (1-6-2).

I always thought that the game Great War was an under-appreciated gem, and the fact that the game was re-issued 40 years later I think confirms that assessment. The quality of the components of the re-issued edition is a real improvement too, although I never had any problem with the components of the original edition. But it does seem that there were some regrettable oversights in the proofing of the re-issued product. I am hopeful that these will all be addressed by the publisher.
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I only very recently got the game and am clipping it to put it on the table very soon. But the question of the reverse side of the German Corps counters doesn't seem to have been definitively answered and is not addressed in the errata found on the OSS site. I'm willing to make 2-8-2 labels with a label maker for the Corps counters if in fact they should have those factors. But should they? Or should they be 1-6-2 like all others?

As for AH and GR being the same color, I'll just put a dot on the back of the AH units with a Sharpie.
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I'm pleased to see this reprint too. I'm just now beginning to dig through the rules for the first time. I had played the game before, but never owned it so never got to read through the whole rules booklet.

However, this issue of the flip-sides of the German corps is a concern. Also, when I got my copy I discovered that the printed die-cut counter sheet was slightly "off" (like 1/8th inch, which is big enough to shift some of the numbers off the counters). But the company was really good and they are sending a replacement sheet . Still, this issue, and waiting around, has caused me to want to do a redux on the counter sheet. This has been done.

But now the question: Can we put this onto the BGG site? It represents a mod to what the company put out, and frankly I would be just as happy if the company would issue a re-print of the units to fix the problems already cited, but it seems like they haven't, and don't plan to. Would this be a violation of the BGG terms of use?

Caveats: The 1-6-2's have been returned to being 2-8-2's. The back sides of the units now reveal their country of origin. The country colors have been altered, fonts altered, placement of units and unit sizes altered. With all those changes would it be a breech of copyright or not?
 
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I asked about this on ConsimWorld back before my log-in got all messed up, and the response was that the changes to the German units was due to the incorporation of errata the designer had in mind for the game. So it's not an error in the printing of the counters, the designer changed it.
 
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Ichirou wrote:
I asked about this on ConsimWorld back before my log-in got all messed up, and the response was that the changes to the German units was due to the incorporation of errata the designer had in mind for the game. So it's not an error in the printing of the counters, the designer changed it.


I'm not convinced by that - I feel its a fob off. Where else has it ever been mentioned that the reverse of the German units were considered too strong and needed weakening?
 
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Sounds like a decision by the designer, his own errata for the game, rather than an errata that was ever published.

Seeing that Jon Compton of One Small Step games has acknowledged and come forward with errors made in previous games in the past, I see no reason why he would try and cover this mistake rather than acknowledge it should it be an error in printing. But if you want further clarification, you could always contact them via the One Small Step company website and ask directly, or via the ConsimWorld forum if you use that site.
 
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