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So this is an extension of the responses to our recent MRA infestation (noting it's mostly directed at Darthhugo and dashi, and to short-term high volume members of eras past).

The question is, while we all love occasionally throwing down insults (I think every one of us does it), is a consistently aggressive and attack oriented posting style effective?

I'd argue "NO" for a few reasons:

1) It's relatively easy to ignore
2) It turns off your putative allies, which are either a useful support structure or your intended audience (depending on whether you're trying to discuss or just trolling)
3) It fails to expose the full extent of various beliefs.

Points 1) and 2) are pretty self-explanatory, so I want to expand on point 3) some:

Let's presume a few intents for engaging someone that takes a crazy position (left or right):

First, you might be mad and just wanting to call them out. Insults work fine for this, but they're shallow - you're not really pulling their positions out for proper scorn. Getting an opportunity for everyone else to see and dislike the full extent of their unpleasantness is far more destructive than even the worst insult could be.

Second, you might that you're trolling them (extremists make easy trolling targets). The insults they'll shrug off, they don't care what you think anyways. Even worse, a troll needs an audience, and if you're making your potential audience hate you too by being uncleverly aggressive, there's not really anything to the point.

Also, it's the weakest form of trolling. Master level trolls are all about getting their opponents to engage and escalate. Just yelling at them doesn't let the proper process even begin.

Third, let's assume you're actually trying to engage them. If you're just yelling insults, this was never your intent anyways, but nevertheless;

The goal then is the same, you need to draw out the positions. It's not likely that you'll change their mind, but at the very least getting them to articulate and defend those positions makes them think about them and at most, getting the positions stated gives them no wiggle room when you successfully destroy their positions.

~~~

So TL;DR A softer approach is more effective regardless of your intent in posting on RSP. As a bonus it makes it much more bitey when you dive into an occasional snip of pure invective. It's win-win!
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you said "high volume member"
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Whatever. Fuck off.


This guy. Biggest dick evar.
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Daddys_Home wrote:
bjlillo wrote:
Whatever. Fuck off.


This guy. Biggest dick evar.


Heh it kind of proves my point. If it were dashi doing that it wouldn't be funny. But since BJ usually sin't quite so aggro, it works :D
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Darthhugo's conversion or destruction thing didn't deserve the thought you put it into it. It's orthodoxy, like any other, permitting neither dissent nor diversity.
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bjlillo wrote:
windsagio wrote:
Daddys_Home wrote:
bjlillo wrote:
Whatever. Fuck off.


This guy. Biggest dick evar.


Heh it kind of proves my point. If it were dashi doing that it wouldn't be funny. But since BJ usually sin't quite so aggro, it works :D


He's just mad because when he tried to blame NRA members for his mom's suicide, I told him it was more likely his fault. But as you said in your OP, if your schtick is just rage, rage, rage all the time (like his was), people aren't going to take you seriously. I just assumed he was being a dick like he always did prior to that. I didn't imagine his mother actually killed herself.


I presume him spelling it 'evar' means he was joking too.

DAMN this stuff gets confusing :(
 
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windsagio wrote:
So this is an extension of the responses to our recent MRA infestation (noting it's mostly directed at Darthhugo and dashi, and to short-term high volume members of eras past).

The question is, while we all love occasionally throwing down insults (I think every one of us does it), is a consistently aggressive and attack oriented posting style effective?

I'd argue "NO" for a few reasons:

1) It's relatively easy to ignore
2) It turns off your putative allies, which are either a useful support structure or your intended audience (depending on whether you're trying to discuss or just trolling)
3) It fails to expose the full extent of various beliefs.

Points 1) and 2) are pretty self-explanatory, so I want to expand on point 3) some:

Let's presume a few intents for engaging someone that takes a crazy position (left or right):

First, you might be mad and just wanting to call them out. Insults work fine for this, but they're shallow - you're not really pulling their positions out for proper scorn. Getting an opportunity for everyone else to see and dislike the full extent of their unpleasantness is far more destructive than even the worst insult could be.

Second, you might that you're trolling them (extremists make easy trolling targets). The insults they'll shrug off, they don't care what you think anyways. Even worse, a troll needs an audience, and if you're making your potential audience hate you too by being uncleverly aggressive, there's not really anything to the point.

Also, it's the weakest form of trolling. Master level trolls are all about getting their opponents to engage and escalate. Just yelling at them doesn't let the proper process even begin.

Third, let's assume you're actually trying to engage them. If you're just yelling insults, this was never your intent anyways, but nevertheless;

The goal then is the same, you need to draw out the positions. It's not likely that you'll change their mind, but at the very least getting them to articulate and defend those positions makes them think about them and at most, getting the positions stated gives them no wiggle room when you successfully destroy their positions.

~~~

So TL;DR A softer approach is more effective regardless of your intent in posting on RSP. As a bonus it makes it much more bitey when you dive into an occasional snip of pure invective. It's win-win!


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darthhugo wrote:
windsagio wrote:
So this is an extension of the responses to our recent MRA infestation (noting it's mostly directed at Darthhugo and dashi, and to short-term high volume members of eras past).

The question is, while we all love occasionally throwing down insults (I think every one of us does it), is a consistently aggressive and attack oriented posting style effective?

I'd argue "NO" for a few reasons:

1) It's relatively easy to ignore
2) It turns off your putative allies, which are either a useful support structure or your intended audience (depending on whether you're trying to discuss or just trolling)
3) It fails to expose the full extent of various beliefs.

Points 1) and 2) are pretty self-explanatory, so I want to expand on point 3) some:

Let's presume a few intents for engaging someone that takes a crazy position (left or right):

First, you might be mad and just wanting to call them out. Insults work fine for this, but they're shallow - you're not really pulling their positions out for proper scorn. Getting an opportunity for everyone else to see and dislike the full extent of their unpleasantness is far more destructive than even the worst insult could be.

Second, you might that you're trolling them (extremists make easy trolling targets). The insults they'll shrug off, they don't care what you think anyways. Even worse, a troll needs an audience, and if you're making your potential audience hate you too by being uncleverly aggressive, there's not really anything to the point.

Also, it's the weakest form of trolling. Master level trolls are all about getting their opponents to engage and escalate. Just yelling at them doesn't let the proper process even begin.

Third, let's assume you're actually trying to engage them. If you're just yelling insults, this was never your intent anyways, but nevertheless;

The goal then is the same, you need to draw out the positions. It's not likely that you'll change their mind, but at the very least getting them to articulate and defend those positions makes them think about them and at most, getting the positions stated gives them no wiggle room when you successfully destroy their positions.

~~~

So TL;DR A softer approach is more effective regardless of your intent in posting on RSP. As a bonus it makes it much more bitey when you dive into an occasional snip of pure invective. It's win-win!


Sorry, were we discussing effective protocol for discussions on a website dedicated to toys?

If so, SillyFuckingDiscussion ()
If not, UNSecurityCouncil ()


I just want it to be more interesting, and this aggro schtick makes it duller :(
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windsagio wrote:
darthhugo wrote:
windsagio wrote:
So this is an extension of the responses to our recent MRA infestation (noting it's mostly directed at Darthhugo and dashi, and to short-term high volume members of eras past).

The question is, while we all love occasionally throwing down insults (I think every one of us does it), is a consistently aggressive and attack oriented posting style effective?

I'd argue "NO" for a few reasons:

1) It's relatively easy to ignore
2) It turns off your putative allies, which are either a useful support structure or your intended audience (depending on whether you're trying to discuss or just trolling)
3) It fails to expose the full extent of various beliefs.

Points 1) and 2) are pretty self-explanatory, so I want to expand on point 3) some:

Let's presume a few intents for engaging someone that takes a crazy position (left or right):

First, you might be mad and just wanting to call them out. Insults work fine for this, but they're shallow - you're not really pulling their positions out for proper scorn. Getting an opportunity for everyone else to see and dislike the full extent of their unpleasantness is far more destructive than even the worst insult could be.

Second, you might that you're trolling them (extremists make easy trolling targets). The insults they'll shrug off, they don't care what you think anyways. Even worse, a troll needs an audience, and if you're making your potential audience hate you too by being uncleverly aggressive, there's not really anything to the point.

Also, it's the weakest form of trolling. Master level trolls are all about getting their opponents to engage and escalate. Just yelling at them doesn't let the proper process even begin.

Third, let's assume you're actually trying to engage them. If you're just yelling insults, this was never your intent anyways, but nevertheless;

The goal then is the same, you need to draw out the positions. It's not likely that you'll change their mind, but at the very least getting them to articulate and defend those positions makes them think about them and at most, getting the positions stated gives them no wiggle room when you successfully destroy their positions.

~~~

So TL;DR A softer approach is more effective regardless of your intent in posting on RSP. As a bonus it makes it much more bitey when you dive into an occasional snip of pure invective. It's win-win!


Sorry, were we discussing effective protocol for discussions on a website dedicated to toys?

If so, SillyFuckingDiscussion ()
If not, UNSecurityCouncil ()


I just want it to be more interesting, and this aggro schtick makes it duller


OK, for you, I'll add 10% less aggro to my posts.

See, I can compromise. But I can't ever go 100% aggro free, as then why the fuck would I spend any time in RSP?

 
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windsagio wrote:
darthhugo wrote:
windsagio wrote:
So this is an extension of the responses to our recent MRA infestation (noting it's mostly directed at Darthhugo and dashi, and to short-term high volume members of eras past).

The question is, while we all love occasionally throwing down insults (I think every one of us does it), is a consistently aggressive and attack oriented posting style effective?

I'd argue "NO" for a few reasons:

1) It's relatively easy to ignore
2) It turns off your putative allies, which are either a useful support structure or your intended audience (depending on whether you're trying to discuss or just trolling)
3) It fails to expose the full extent of various beliefs.

Points 1) and 2) are pretty self-explanatory, so I want to expand on point 3) some:

Let's presume a few intents for engaging someone that takes a crazy position (left or right):

First, you might be mad and just wanting to call them out. Insults work fine for this, but they're shallow - you're not really pulling their positions out for proper scorn. Getting an opportunity for everyone else to see and dislike the full extent of their unpleasantness is far more destructive than even the worst insult could be.

Second, you might that you're trolling them (extremists make easy trolling targets). The insults they'll shrug off, they don't care what you think anyways. Even worse, a troll needs an audience, and if you're making your potential audience hate you too by being uncleverly aggressive, there's not really anything to the point.

Also, it's the weakest form of trolling. Master level trolls are all about getting their opponents to engage and escalate. Just yelling at them doesn't let the proper process even begin.

Third, let's assume you're actually trying to engage them. If you're just yelling insults, this was never your intent anyways, but nevertheless;

The goal then is the same, you need to draw out the positions. It's not likely that you'll change their mind, but at the very least getting them to articulate and defend those positions makes them think about them and at most, getting the positions stated gives them no wiggle room when you successfully destroy their positions.

~~~

So TL;DR A softer approach is more effective regardless of your intent in posting on RSP. As a bonus it makes it much more bitey when you dive into an occasional snip of pure invective. It's win-win!


Sorry, were we discussing effective protocol for discussions on a website dedicated to toys?

If so, SillyFuckingDiscussion ()
If not, UNSecurityCouncil ()


I just want it to be more interesting, and this aggro schtick makes it duller


But if he's having fun, then fuck it if it is being made yet even more furtherly intolerableness for everybody else who also shares this space.

"I paid for my ticket to come to this ball game... what are YOU doing bringing your kid to a game where I am gonna get drunk and scream obscenities at the left fielder for three hours? What kind of parent are you?"
 
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GameCrossing wrote:
windsagio wrote:
darthhugo wrote:
windsagio wrote:
So this is an extension of the responses to our recent MRA infestation (noting it's mostly directed at Darthhugo and dashi, and to short-term high volume members of eras past).

The question is, while we all love occasionally throwing down insults (I think every one of us does it), is a consistently aggressive and attack oriented posting style effective?

I'd argue "NO" for a few reasons:

1) It's relatively easy to ignore
2) It turns off your putative allies, which are either a useful support structure or your intended audience (depending on whether you're trying to discuss or just trolling)
3) It fails to expose the full extent of various beliefs.

Points 1) and 2) are pretty self-explanatory, so I want to expand on point 3) some:

Let's presume a few intents for engaging someone that takes a crazy position (left or right):

First, you might be mad and just wanting to call them out. Insults work fine for this, but they're shallow - you're not really pulling their positions out for proper scorn. Getting an opportunity for everyone else to see and dislike the full extent of their unpleasantness is far more destructive than even the worst insult could be.

Second, you might that you're trolling them (extremists make easy trolling targets). The insults they'll shrug off, they don't care what you think anyways. Even worse, a troll needs an audience, and if you're making your potential audience hate you too by being uncleverly aggressive, there's not really anything to the point.

Also, it's the weakest form of trolling. Master level trolls are all about getting their opponents to engage and escalate. Just yelling at them doesn't let the proper process even begin.

Third, let's assume you're actually trying to engage them. If you're just yelling insults, this was never your intent anyways, but nevertheless;

The goal then is the same, you need to draw out the positions. It's not likely that you'll change their mind, but at the very least getting them to articulate and defend those positions makes them think about them and at most, getting the positions stated gives them no wiggle room when you successfully destroy their positions.

~~~

So TL;DR A softer approach is more effective regardless of your intent in posting on RSP. As a bonus it makes it much more bitey when you dive into an occasional snip of pure invective. It's win-win!


Sorry, were we discussing effective protocol for discussions on a website dedicated to toys?

If so, SillyFuckingDiscussion ()
If not, UNSecurityCouncil ()


I just want it to be more interesting, and this aggro schtick makes it duller


But if he's having fun, then fuck it if it is being made yet even more furtherly intolerableness for everybody else who also shares this space.

"I paid for my ticket to come to this ball game... what are YOU doing bringing your kid to a game where I am gonna get drunk and scream obscenities at the left fielder for three hours? What kind of parent are you?"


Sorry that you have to find your life's purpose and socialization stuck in BGG RSP. Uber fare conversations not stimulating 'nuff for you?

For you, I'll try extra hard to make your little starfish life more meaningful and bearable.



 
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GameCrossing wrote:
windsagio wrote:
darthhugo wrote:
windsagio wrote:
So this is an extension of the responses to our recent MRA infestation (noting it's mostly directed at Darthhugo and dashi, and to short-term high volume members of eras past).

The question is, while we all love occasionally throwing down insults (I think every one of us does it), is a consistently aggressive and attack oriented posting style effective?

I'd argue "NO" for a few reasons:

1) It's relatively easy to ignore
2) It turns off your putative allies, which are either a useful support structure or your intended audience (depending on whether you're trying to discuss or just trolling)
3) It fails to expose the full extent of various beliefs.

Points 1) and 2) are pretty self-explanatory, so I want to expand on point 3) some:

Let's presume a few intents for engaging someone that takes a crazy position (left or right):

First, you might be mad and just wanting to call them out. Insults work fine for this, but they're shallow - you're not really pulling their positions out for proper scorn. Getting an opportunity for everyone else to see and dislike the full extent of their unpleasantness is far more destructive than even the worst insult could be.

Second, you might that you're trolling them (extremists make easy trolling targets). The insults they'll shrug off, they don't care what you think anyways. Even worse, a troll needs an audience, and if you're making your potential audience hate you too by being uncleverly aggressive, there's not really anything to the point.

Also, it's the weakest form of trolling. Master level trolls are all about getting their opponents to engage and escalate. Just yelling at them doesn't let the proper process even begin.

Third, let's assume you're actually trying to engage them. If you're just yelling insults, this was never your intent anyways, but nevertheless;

The goal then is the same, you need to draw out the positions. It's not likely that you'll change their mind, but at the very least getting them to articulate and defend those positions makes them think about them and at most, getting the positions stated gives them no wiggle room when you successfully destroy their positions.

~~~

So TL;DR A softer approach is more effective regardless of your intent in posting on RSP. As a bonus it makes it much more bitey when you dive into an occasional snip of pure invective. It's win-win!


Sorry, were we discussing effective protocol for discussions on a website dedicated to toys?

If so, SillyFuckingDiscussion ()
If not, UNSecurityCouncil ()


I just want it to be more interesting, and this aggro schtick makes it duller


But if he's having fun, then fuck it if it is being made yet even more furtherly intolerableness for everybody else who also shares this space.

"I paid for my ticket to come to this ball game... what are YOU doing bringing your kid to a game where I am gonna get drunk and scream obscenities at the left fielder for three hours? What kind of parent are you?"


Hey, at least you got the kids off the compound. You are a good father.
 
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DO YOU EVER GET THAT FEELING THAT YOUR WIT IS SO AMAZING AND CRUSHING THAT YOU CAN'T DELIVER JUST ONE REPLY, LIKE THE ZINGERS ARE JUST BUBBLING UP UNCONTROLLABLY FROM YOUR FINGERTIPS AND EVERYONE IS IN AWE AND THEY THINK YOU'RE HILARIOUS AND THE GUY YOU'RE MOCKING GOES HOME IN SHAME BECAUSE HE JUST CAN'T HANDLE THE EPIC VERBAL TROUNCING YOU JUST HANDED HIS ASS IN FRONT OF EVERYONE?

YEAH, ME TOO.
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DO YOU EVER GET THAT FEELING THAT YOUR WIT IS SO AMAZING AND CRUSHING THAT YOU CAN'T DELIVER JUST ONE REPLY, LIKE THE ZINGERS ARE JUST BUBBLING UP UNCONTROLLABLY FROM YOUR FINGERTIPS AND EVERYONE IS IN AWE AND THEY THINK YOU'RE HILARIOUS AND THE GUY YOU'RE MOCKING GOES HOME IN SHAME BECAUSE HE JUST CAN'T HANDLE THE EPIC VERBAL TROUNCING YOU JUST HANDED HIS ASS IN FRONT OF EVERYONE?

YEAH, ME TOO.


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