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Sooooo the WSJ is saying Huma's laptop has 650k emails. Her and her husband used it. They were both in government. They probably got more emails than the average Joe.

650,000?

Does that sound realistic?

I thought 30k was a lot, that's 20 every day for 4 years just for yoga classes.

I know I'm not representative of normal email usage. I might get 3 a day, one of which is from Apple, and another which pretends to be from Apple.

Sooooo. Just to be clear. No big political point to be made. 650,000. Realistic or not?
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Koldfoot wrote:
Sooooo the WSJ is saying Huma's laptop has 650k emails. Her and her husband used it. They were both in government. They probably got more emails than the average Joe.

650,000?

Does that sound realistic?

I thought 30k was a lot, that's 20 every day for 4 years just for yoga classes.

I know I'm not representative of normal email usage. I might get 3 a day, one of which is from Apple, and another which pretends to be from Apple.

Sooooo. Just to be clear. No big political point to be made. 650,000. Realistic or not?


I know people at my work that get 100+ per day (afaik not counting spam), and that's not someone in the position of getting the kind of correspondence that those two would be. Now being able to *read* 650,000 emails, let alone recall them, that's a different beast.

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Koldfoot wrote:
Sooooo the WSJ is saying Huma's laptop has 650k emails. Her and her husband used it. They were both in government. They probably got more emails than the average Joe.

650,000?

Does that sound realistic?

I thought 30k was a lot, that's 20 every day for 4 years just for yoga classes.

I know I'm not representative of normal email usage. I might get 3 a day, one of which is from Apple, and another which pretends to be from Apple.

Sooooo. Just to be clear. No big political point to be made. 650,000. Realistic or not?


Yes, it's realistic. Heck, 40 or 50 thousand of those were probably viagra emails and emails from long lost Nigerian friends.
 
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A hundred a day. Let us round up a lot to 40,000 per year, 160,000 in 4 years.

Believable.

But 1 every 3 minutes, 24 hours a day, for 4 years?

Granted 4 years is arbitrary. I assume that's a good number before the laptop needs to be upgraded or replaced.

 
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Koldfoot wrote:
A hundred a day. Let us round up a lot to 40,000 per year, 160,000 in 4 years.

Believable.

But 1 every 3 minutes, 24 hours a day, for 4 years?

Granted 4 years is arbitrary. I assume that's a good number before the laptop needs to be upgraded or replaced.



x2 people, and the difference between a project director at a games company and a high influence US politician is *enormous*.

I guess I didn't directly answer your question though; Yeah it seems like a crazy amount to me as well, but not unimaginable.
 
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I have pretty laid back job on the intersection of academia and consulting.
Between relevant emails from my colleagues, assorted updates on various events that the university sends out, updates on people reading/citing my papers, communication with clients, background noise from people fishing for conference attendance, students asking questions, people wanting to sell me software for the stuff I actually use etc... I'd say that there is probably 30-50 emails a day that are by some definition not spam.
Add actual spam and the personal mails it probably hits 70+ a day.

There is a reason people apply email sorting rules and filters.

I would not be surprised that someone in an actual executive job gets an order of magnitude more emails then I do.

If we are looking at two people in big jobs (particularly people of their generation who still use mailing lists etc...) 300 mails a day total is on the lower end of what I would expect. That is 110,000 a year.

Now, what is odd to me there is:

1) Why do two people who are ostensibly not poor use same laptop? That is gross. Even if you don't have anything to hide from your SO, sharing computer is kind of like sharing a handkerchief.

2) Why the hell do you actually *save* all the email crap you get throughout the day ? People use filters and sorting rules for a reason.
I know some people do it that way - but again, that is just stupid and makes it hard to find and use the email you may actually need.
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It's a big number but I think it's easy believable.

Lots of emails were probably not specific ones - things like daily press clips (for sure Abedin got them at State; Weiner might have had some sort of press clipping thing while in Congress), various administrative notices, and the like.

And we all know how you can have a quick back and forth - "Where's that memo?" "Hal's finishing it" "Bring it in soon as it's ready, the boss wants a chance to read it" "OK" "Thx"

There's five emails right there.

Also I wouldn't be surprised if the FBI in coming up with that number is counting both emails in the in-box AND out-box of the accounts. So that little exchange above about Hal and the memo could count as 10...
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bramadan wrote:


2) Why the hell do you actually *save* all the email crap you get throughout the day ? People use filters and sorting rules for a reason.
I know some people do it that way - but again, that is just stupid and makes it hard to find and use the email you may actually need.


Because you don't bother to actually delete them, or possibly you delete them but don't know to *really* delete them.
 
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How much space would that many emails take on the hard drive? Looking at my inbox I'd guestimate between 500mb and 1GB. Would anyone just keep that much on their HD for no real reason?

 
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bramadan wrote:
2) Why the hell do you actually *save* all the email crap you get throughout the day ? People use filters and sorting rules for a reason.
I know some people do it that way - but again, that is just stupid and makes it hard to find and use the email you may actually need.

It depends on how capable your email program is. Web mail or something like Outlook, yeah, crazy. But I use a very capable email program that dumps each email into various folders automatically, and I have dozens of folders. They all can be sorted any which way, new messages are highlighted, and I can navigate to just new messages, skipping old messages. It also has an extremely sophisticated search.

I used to be on a number of email lists that were essentially like BGG forums--forums, not threads. I read the email threads I was interested in and neither read nor deleted the others (since later someone might refer to an unread thread in a post I found interesting). So, think of the number of messages posted to RSP or General Gaming in a day, and multiply that by how many things or people you're interested in.

And you sign up for deals with some retailers and you get an email a day. I ignore them unless I'm shopping for something they sell. But I keep them around in case I want to see how prices have changed.

Emails are small; disk drives are huge. As long as the old mail isn't interfering, what's the point in spending time deleting it?


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How much space would that many emails take on the hard drive? Looking at my inbox I'd guestimate between 500mb and 1GB. Would anyone just keep that much on their HD for no real reason?

If you've got a multiple terabyte (1000 GB) disk, why would you care about something using under 0.1% of your space?
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Agreed. In general I don't delete most emails. Even if they take up a few gigabytes of space that's minuscule compared to the terabyte drives that we use for storage.
 
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Koldfoot wrote:
A hundred a day. Let us round up a lot to 40,000 per year, 160,000 in 4 years.

Believable.

But 1 every 3 minutes, 24 hours a day, for 4 years?

Granted 4 years is arbitrary. I assume that's a good number before the laptop needs to be upgraded or replaced.


It can be if they were included on a lot of email discussions.

Hillary Clinton was Sec of State for 4 years and 11 days (it my math is right. Thats equal to 1472 days (including 1 leap year).

At 650,000 emails, thats an average of 441 emails a day. A lot for 2 people, yes, but not an unbelievable amount, if she and her husband were included in a lot of emails in the Clinton office.
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Agreed. In general I don't delete most emails. Even if they take up a few gigabytes of space that's minuscule compared to the terabyte drives that we use for storage.


I hate emails just sitting around. i delete all personal emails when I'm done with them. At work, they all get stuck in folders and deleted after 2 years (I'll delete all 2015 emails in January of 2017)
 
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I have received 60,000 emails in one hour before, but that is because I receive emails from a couple dozen web servers and the applications running on them.
 
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I'm sure most of them are boner pill spam.
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I'm sure most of them are boner pill spam.


I sent her no emails.
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Koldfoot wrote:
A hundred a day. Let us round up a lot to 40,000 per year, 160,000 in 4 years.

Believable.

But 1 every 3 minutes, 24 hours a day, for 4 years?

Granted 4 years is arbitrary. I assume that's a good number before the laptop needs to be upgraded or replaced.


It can be if they were included on a lot of email discussions.

Hillary Clinton was Sec of State for 4 years and 11 days (it my math is right. Thats equal to 1472 days (including 1 leap year).

At 650,000 emails, thats an average of 441 emails a day. A lot for 2 people, yes, but not an unbelievable amount, if she and her husband were included in a lot of emails in the Clinton office.


To be fair, those 4 years may be irrelevant to the 650k number. A) she would have had to have been the same computer for at least 8 years. B) could a laptop that old have enough space for that many emails? I don't know.
 
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Koldfoot wrote:

B) could a laptop that old have enough space for that many emails? I don't know.


Yes. Storage space has been cheap for years, even for contractors.

Email text is relatively trivial, as has been stated before in this thread. Even 100,000s of it.

I regularly get 100 emails at work per day. Doesn't mean I read them (or even should read them...), but they're there, in my folders.
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Koldfoot wrote:
... B) could a laptop that old have enough space for that many emails? I don't know.

Yes: terabyte laptop disks have been common for years.
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Dispaminite wrote:
I sent her no emails.
The "SPAM" one was quite 'delicious'!


 
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Dispaminite wrote:
MWChapel wrote:
I'm sure most of them are boner pill spam.


I sent her no emails.


Anthony on the other hand... Although he probably doesn't need the help.
 
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galad2003 wrote:
So when you first buy your laptop then connect to your email account it may have downloaded all the previous emails so you have a local copy. So we don't have to assume it is 4 years of emails. It might be a decade of more of emails - most of which have nothing to do with anything. Also, a user might be in several distribution groups and have several email accounts. So that number might just be every email from every source that has ever been on that computer.

But yea that's a large number of fucking emails. Delete old emails people, seriously you don't need every email from the dawn of time.


I thought it was illegal for government officials to delete emails?
 
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