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From the Kickstarter: "What could be more in keeping with the Japanese theme than allowing the Heroes to find their way through a portal that leads inside of an unspeakably massive creature; battling all sorts of living organs and parasites, and fighting off the Flesh Mites, Acid Blobs, and Parasitic Tentacles that inhabit this ‘living’ world."

I am no expert about Japanese culture or history, but I have to say that being inside a living organism doesn't ring any "Japanese theme" bells for me.

Can anyone explain this statement? Or is it a sign that FFP doesn't know much about Japanese theme, and what does that bode for FF?
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Fanboys will buy anything- even if utterly off the mark.

I realize that FFP likes to mix things up with an imaginative twist in their SOB series, and I am doubly sure it will be even more outrageous with Forbidden Fortress.

I will not be backing this KS, but not because of the bizarre, unreal viewpoint of FFP's take on Japanese history and culture.

I will just wait to buy the game when it hits the stores, like I should have with SOB.
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Could be a Kaiju reference.
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Or they just had that theme already planned during previous Kickstarter and decided to just go with that here.
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I have no problem with using a previously designed Otherworld. The more the merrier. I'm just not sure why they had to say it's part of the Japanese theme???
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milgate wrote:
Could be a Kaiju reference.

What does that mean?
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SirRoke wrote:
milgate wrote:
Could be a Kaiju reference.

What does that mean?


Very Large Monster. As in Godzilla and co.
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dahak wrote:
SirRoke wrote:
milgate wrote:
Could be a Kaiju reference.

What does that mean?


Very Large Monster. As in Godzilla and co.

Like Pacific Rim. There's a scene near the end of the movie where they are digging through a downed Kaiju. Pretty disgusting in there! They imply in the movie there's a whole industry built around harvesting Kaiju parts after one is killed, including parasites the size of small dogs!
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batanen wrote:
Or they just had that theme already planned during previous Kickstarter and decided to just go with that here.


IIRC, FFP said that they still wanted to do Belly of the Beast from the previous KS, even though it didn't fund. Random guess is that BotB was developed in time for the core set, but the Temple of the Shadows isn't, so was left for the expansion set.

There really *are* bizarre cultural licenses this KS is taking. The alternative gender sculpts looks like they took a gender and shoved her or him into a costume of the opposite sex. I imagine there's a Japanese crowdfunded boardgame with a "Male Saloon Girl" in it.

* Male Geisha: The predecessors of geishes *were* male, but weren't kabuki. Kabuki were theatre actors, not entertainers, and the original kabuki were *women*. The early male geishas were called taikomochi, and they were more similar to jesters who focused on dancing, and were even used to discuss military strategies.

* Female Samurai: The onna-bugeisha were female warriors, existing *before* the samurai, and coming from the noble class. They fought in villages which lacked male fighters. Instead of katanas, principle weapons were pole arms (naginata), and ranged weaponry, to compensate against masculine advantages like physical strength and body size.

Still, with any luck, the female sumo will be a Japanese marshmallow girl duel-wielding katanas. Which is *totally* awesome.
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Maybe they're talking about hentai tentacle porn?

I think they just had the Belly of the Beast assets lying around from the last KS and figured they'd mash it up with a Japanese theme, does seem kind of weird.
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Belly of the Beast seems pretty anime to me. Not sure why the confusion in this thread.
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volnon wrote:
I will just wait to buy the game when it hits the stores, like I should have with SOB.


Why? I missed the original SoB campaign, so I bought it in my LGS. While I'm fine with that, I had wondered then that it might have been nicer to get the Kickstarter version with some exclusives or whatnot.
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Freelance, thanks for the very informative post. It is possible the final product alternate sex heroes will have the proper names you mention (similar to what Brimstone does with the Piano Player and Nun) and FFP are just labeling them by what we see now to avoid confusion. If some one see that to be the case on the Kickstarter comments please post here.
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Hey there guys!

I live in Japan, I have a major in Japanese culture and history, and I'm really used to games bringing a weird Japan to the table.

This being said, I don't care. It's not like the wild west we saw in the original SoB is historically accurate. It is not in fact, it's MOVIE accurate.

Same thing happens to this Japan, it's more or like based on what we got of Japanese's culture through pop culture (videogames, manga, anime and such).


Being inside a monster-demon is a common theme of many animes, especially the tentacle erotic ones (God bless Hokusai, thanks for bringing this awesomeness!).

I really like what they're doing, even though we have a Kabuki male char (and yes, I know about Okuni), it fits the expectation of the average gamer (I included myself in this average list).


And just to add, most Japanese people don't know shit about their mythos/cultural things themselves, they're more used to pop culture mythos as well. Sometimes I have to explain my wife things when we talk about old Japanese mythos and literature. I think that's completely understable, if you think about it same thing applies to us.

How many harpies or tritons in our boardgames were culturally accurate? How many were "pop" culture accurate? Think about it!

Best,

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Thanks for all the information. The discussion really made some good points.
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Sam and Max wrote:
Still, with any luck, the female sumo will be a Japanese marshmallow girl duel-wielding katanas. Which is *totally* awesome.


Looking at the art she's a Miko dual wielding Tantos. Which is sort of appropriate what with the association between female Sumatori and Shinto ritual.

On the female Samurai. Tomoe Gozen while known for her Naganata skills was also more than competent with a Katana.

The "Kabuki" is a weird name. I suspect they'd be better calling him, and the Geisha, Courtiers, since that's what both are dressed as.
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SirRoke wrote:
From the Kickstarter: "What could be more in keeping with the Japanese theme than allowing the Heroes to find their way through a portal that leads inside of an unspeakably massive creature; battling all sorts of living organs and parasites, and fighting off the Flesh Mites, Acid Blobs, and Parasitic Tentacles that inhabit this ‘living’ world."

I am no expert about Japanese culture or history, but I have to say that being inside a living organism doesn't ring any "Japanese theme" bells for me.

Can anyone explain this statement? Or is it a sign that FFP doesn't know much about Japanese theme, and what does that bode for FF?


I think this has been explained before, but the closest connection to a Japanese theme with "Belly of The Beast" are the assorted Kaiju/giant monster movies, possibly with a few having the heroes fight their way out of the monster from the inside out.

That being said, there is another Other World called "Forest Of The Dead" (the $800K Stretch Goal of this Kickstarter: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1034852783/shadows-of-b...), which is basically a forest existing between life and death, and haunted by tons of ghosts and undead: that's more in-line with Japanese horror films (like Ringu/The Ring (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/TheRing), Ju-On/The Grudge (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/Juon?from=Main.Ju...), The Forest (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/TheForest2016), etc.), and probably comes closer to a "Japanese specific Other World" than Belly of The Beast.
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I'm going to assume the Other World draw cards for this are identical to the originals.
 
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I mean... Is a swamp filled with serpent men and dinosaurs "on theme" for the old west?
Or an ancient alien civilization filled with advanced technology?
A fire and brimstone/hell adjacent world?
How about magic/radioactive alien ww1?

The earth realm has always been on theme in sob, with other worlds being alien and strange.

That said, with the Kaiju/anime influence, yeah I think botb fits as well as any otherworld... maybe better.
And forest of the dead looks awesome.
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One word: Sushi.

The Beast is a fish. Everyone knows that.
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dahak wrote:
Looking at the art she's a Miko dual wielding Tantos. Which is sort of appropriate what with the association between female Sumatori and Shinto ritual.

On the female Samurai. Tomoe Gozen while known for her Naganata skills was also more than competent with a Katana.

The "Kabuki" is a weird name. I suspect they'd be better calling him, and the Geisha, Courtiers, since that's what both are dressed as.


Sweet, thanks. A friend of mine said that there were female Samurai, but I'm still finding any mention of them being Onna-Bugeisha, and most are without armor, though some pics show them in samurai armor.

As for anime in a "belly of the beast", while tentacle hentai is pretty common, I've yet to see any anime where heroes were inside of a beast -- at least not as a meal. Maybe there's one or two, but not as a genre, particularly based on historical and folklore Japanese heroes. They style of the miniatures isn't even anime.

That being said, Japan has a rich folklore of mythological spirit-related creatures called yokai that depicted "realistic" humans next to fictional creatures. The kitsune alt-gen sculpture is a yokai. At least outside of the belly, the monsters look yokai or at least yokai-inspired, as is Temple of Shadows. You're going to buy Temple anyway, so just stick the Temple in the standalone box, and Belly in the expansion box!



Who needs anime when you have warrior neckbeards riding tigers?




Yeah, that's sword's gonna help.



Mind you, "realistic" anime doesn't quite get its facts straight, either.


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And I think the theme for the first KS was Weird West not Wild West so just about anything goes. Which I found working astonishingly well! With all the weird going on, the Wild West feel is very there.
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Ever play Ocarina of Time? Nintendo, Japanese.
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