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RIK FONTANA
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OK, I bought the CODEX Core Set.
For $50 (well, a little cheaper but that is recommended price), I got a complete game, with battle boards and with all the red and green cards AND their binders.

My friends and I like the game, so was considering the Blue and Black expansion.
That would be a $40 recommended price.
I just read a comment here that the expansion does NOT come with the Binders!
Is that correct?
I'm in shock. I got so much for $50 but don't even get the binders for $40? If that is the case, you'll find my copy up for trade next week. The cool binder is one of the best parts of the game and I can't imagine Why Sirlin would sell expansions without them! And it clearly shows that the Only 'deal' is the starter, as for $10 more, you get Way more in the box.

Please can someone who knows the definitive answer REPLY. I went to Sirlin games and can not figure out what one does get or does not get.
Thanks!
 
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Dennis Engilis
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Given what you've written and given what I've heard maybe you should have gotten the deluxe version which has everything although now that I think of it I'm not sure if that includes binders for each faction.
 
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David Sterling
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Deluxe has binders for 6 colors. Not the neutral starters
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Rikolus wrote:
OK, I bought the CODEX Core Set.
For $50 (well, a little cheaper but that is recommended price), I got a complete game, with battle boards and with all the red and green cards AND their binders.

My friends and I like the game, so was considering the Blue and Black expansion.
That would be a $40 recommended price.
I just read a comment here that the expansion does NOT come with the Binders!
Is that correct?
I'm in shock. I got so much for $50 but don't even get the binders for $40? If that is the case, you'll find my copy up for trade next week. The cool binder is one of the best parts of the game and I can't imagine Why Sirlin would sell expansions without them! And it clearly shows that the Only 'deal' is the starter, as for $10 more, you get Way more in the box.

Please can someone who knows the definitive answer REPLY. I went to Sirlin games and can not figure out what one does get or does not get.
Thanks!


This is correct, in retail (outside the Deluxe, which you can buy on Amazon) there are only 2 binders available, and those are only in the core set. The expansions only have the cards for the two factions. The value, as I've been told, is in the gameplay, not the components.
 
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jmathias wrote:
The value, as I've been told, is in the gameplay, not the components.


While a lot of work was put into the game this isn't necessarily true. The expansions are comparable in price to other games in the genre. Summoner Wars sells 35 card packs for $10 (which $40 would get you 140 cards as opposed to Blue/Blacks 190 cards). Ashes sells 33-40ish cards for $15 dollars. All FFG LCGs sell 60 card packs for $15 dollars (and this from a much bigger company).

It seems like there would be less complaints about the expansions if instead of grouped in a pack of 6 specs they were sold as individual specs for $10-$15. But I haven't followed any of the above mentioned games for awhile so maybe there are lots of complaints about them too.

Rikolus wrote:

I'm in shock. I got so much for $50 but don't even get the binders for $40?


Expansions in any game tend to be more expansive then the base game. Less people buy expansions then the base so less expansions are printed which drives up the price.
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While the binders are cool, I think this was a marketing fart. Yes a marketing fart. I think in an effort to push the deluxe edition, they didn't consider that some people like to pick and choose (and even throw more money at something piece meal if they have to). Just chalk it up to a loss in sales to those that want binders but are too lazy to find other potential (non Sirlin games money making) alternatives.

Although I did read somewhere that David chimed in that if there was enough "demand" for them, that the company would consider making them available at a price. I can only imagine an arm or a testicle each will do at this point.

Excellent game though
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The binders are great, but I can't imagine it's that hard to make them yourself. Just buy some binders and take a hobby knife to some card sleeve pages.
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Can't see this as anything but a fail. Game is marketed as 2-5 players, but only 2 get a binder? Doesn't make any sense.
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This is accurate. There are definitely some suggestions around here on what you can use for extra binders. Sirlin's also interested in hearing just how much interest there is for binders; as far as I know, they represent a hefty price investment that bumps up the unit cost, particularly since Codex is currently operating on a very small scale.
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I played the print and play with generic ccg binders for 1 year. This was never a problem.

But yeah, if you like the game and this is a big deal to you consider the deluxe.
 
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why does so many people take issue with such a thing?

i bought and printed the full PnP version and use a Ultra Pro single sided blinder. it's easy to switch specs. and it's just as useful as the specialised blinder.
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Chun, the reason is that we all play for Different reasons! One needs to realize that different players enjoy the experience in different ways.

I hand-paint all my games that come with plastic figures.... so my WAR OF THE RING is to die for, SHADOWS OVER CAMELOT looks incredible, etc. And the enjoyment I get comes from the experience being made just the way I want it. It's certainly not needed.... but it IS for me, and I love the comments when playing with friends and (especially) at conventions & such, as HOW a game looks often is a factor in playing it, in people noticing it, being intrigued to learn more, etc.

Dennis said I should have bought the DELUXE set, and in honesty a month ago I was looking for it and could Not find it. So when Cool Stuff got the Core set, and I saw that expansions would be 'on the way', I assumed (quite incorrectly) that the binder is included.
The binder is Such a cool feature, a thematic feature, and functionally an important feature, that without it I'm not really interested in continuing to play the game. I'm sure some will look at that as silly. But one of my friends who I played with agreed, so clearly I'm not alone.
I hope Sirlin looks at it as Sales LOST and a chance to reconsider future marketing.
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Rikolus wrote:

The binder is Such a cool feature, a thematic feature, and functionally an important feature, that without it I'm not really interested in continuing to play the game. I'm sure some will look at that as silly. But one of my friends who I played with agreed, so clearly I'm not alone.


You get 2 binders in the CORE set. You don't need more than that to play.

Whining that there are none in the EXPANSIONS, is like whining there are no damage decks nor movement templates in every single expansions of X-Wing.

Adding the binders would have also increased the price of the expensions for something not needed to play.

One of my friends who I played with agreed, so clearly I'm not alone.
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I don't have any strong feelings about this but I would have preferred it if the expansions came with binders and cost $50 each. And to be honest I was quite surprised to find out that the expansions didn't include binders. I'm hoping that Sirlin Games starts selling the binders separately because they look really nice
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