There's a shape called "The Golden Rectangle". Have you heard of it?
United States Little Canada Minnesota
It refers to a rectangle that's approximately contstructed in the ratio of 9 to 16. The golden rectangle has several characteristics. Let's say I create a square within this shape. Then, this smaller rectangle that I just created will also be a
golden rectangle. I make another square within that and the leftover is another golden rectangle. And I make a few more, and when I connect all the central points of these shapes it creates a spiral that continues forever. This is the "Golden Spin".

Using Globalization Victory as an example:
Quote: To win, you must have: (1) Two more Concessions than any of your opponents and (2) more Discovery Prestige than any of your opponents.
In a threeplayer game, for example, where I have 2 Discovery Prestige and my opponents have 1 and 0 Discovery Prestige respectively, do I satisfy condition (2) or would both of my opponents have to have 0 Discovery Prestige?
Similar question for every other use of "any".

Chris in Kansai
Japan Otsu Shiga

golden_cow2 wrote: Using Globalization Victory as an example: Quote: To win, you must have: (1) Two more Concessions than any of your opponents and (2) more Discovery Prestige than any of your opponents. In a threeplayer game, for example, where I have 2 Discovery Prestige and my opponents have 1 and 0 Discovery Prestige respectively, do I satisfy condition (2) or would both of my opponents have to have 0 Discovery Prestige? Similar question for every other use of "any".
Your example clearly satisfies condition (2), and I'd read the use of any as meaning every other opponent considered individually.

Phil Eklund
Germany Karlsruhe Baden Würtenberg

golden_cow2 wrote: Using Globalization Victory as an example: Quote: To win, you must have: (1) Two more Concessions than any of your opponents and (2) more Discovery Prestige than any of your opponents. In a threeplayer game, for example, where I have 2 Discovery Prestige and my opponents have 1 and 0 Discovery Prestige respectively, do I satisfy condition (2) or would both of my opponents have to have 0 Discovery Prestige? Similar question for every other use of "any". "Any" means considering each opponent individually. Also (1) and (2) are considered individually.

Rich James
United States Plano Texas

phileklund wrote: golden_cow2 wrote: Using Globalization Victory as an example: Quote: To win, you must have: (1) Two more Concessions than any of your opponents and (2) more Discovery Prestige than any of your opponents. In a threeplayer game, for example, where I have 2 Discovery Prestige and my opponents have 1 and 0 Discovery Prestige respectively, do I satisfy condition (2) or would both of my opponents have to have 0 Discovery Prestige? Similar question for every other use of "any". "Any" means considering each opponent individually. Also (1) and (2) are considered individually. I am still not sure of the intended meaning here, sorry.
If there are 3 players and you have 2 Discovery prestige, one opponent also has 2 Discovery prestige and the other has 1 Discovery prestige, can you satisfy condition 2 since you have more of this prestige than one of your opponents? If I consider each opponent individually, I can find a case where I have more prestige than one.
I really doubt this is how it goes though. I think we have to have more prestige than all of our opponents, considering each individually. You have to have more prestige than every individual opponent. Is this correct?

Roel van der Hoorn
Netherlands Enschede

arjisme wrote: If there are 3 players and you have 2 Discovery prestige, one opponent also has 2 Discovery prestige and the other has 1 Discovery prestige, can you satisfy condition 2 since you have more of this prestige than one of your opponents?
No. If one opponent has 2 Discovery prestige and the other 1 Discovery prestige, then you need 3 Discovery prestige. i.e. more than each of your opponents.

Phil Eklund
Germany Karlsruhe Baden Würtenberg

In the living rules, I added some parentheticals to each of the victory conditions which I hope clarifies the intent:
L3. Holy Victory (Torquemada). To win, you must have more Prestige in the supreme Religion than any of your opponents (each considered individually, e.g. if 3 players have supreme Prestige of 0, 1, and 2 respectively, only the last can win).
L4. Imperial Victory (Charles V). To win, you must have at least two more empire cards on their King side (doesn't matter if Suzerains or Vassals) than any of your opponents (each considered individually).
L5. Globalization Victory (Columbus). To win, you must have: (1) Two more Concessions than any of your opponents and (2) more Discovery Prestige than any of your opponents (each considered individually).
L6. Renaissance Victory (Leonardo). To win, you must have: (1) More Republics than any of your opponents and (2) at least two more Law Prestige than any of your opponents (each considered individually).

jonathan schleyer
United States Manhattan Beach California

What happens in a 2 player game where one player has many more concessions but there is no discovery prestige out on any tableau yet (as in no prestige cards have appeared)?

David Taranto
Canada Victoria BC

Then you probably shouldn't activate that condition except to "hatedraft" it and prolong the game, since neither player can claim it without at least 1 Doscovery prestige. Both MUST be met.



Right, but keep in mind that Portugal always has a discovery prestige, though, so if whoever has the most concessions in your example manages to "acquire" it, the victory condition is met.


