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Subject: Why do Russian Akula only get a Torpedo attack? rss

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Curious why the Russian Akula counter has no SSMs & no LACMs?

Same goes for most other subs of Soviet/Russian origin like Kilos. I'm not saying every country would have LACMs and SSMs on their Russian subs, but China certainly would have at least SSMs.

China's Song & Yuan's also have SSM capability.

I know it's Wikipedia but nonetheless:

"The PLAN in the 1990s sought to acquire a modern conventional submarine with emphasis on sensors, weaponry, and modern capabilities to engage enemy submarines in modern warfare. In 1994 it ordered two Kilo-class 877EKM type submarines from Russia, which were delivered by 1995. In 1996, two improved Kilo-class 636 submarines were ordered, delivered between 1997 and 1998. In 2002, a $2 billion deal was signed for eight more Kilo-class 636, these submarines particularly fitted with the capability of launching the Russian Novator 3M-54E Klub S cruise missile capable of engaging land and sea targets at 220 km. The Kilo class represents a huge leap forward in the PLAN submarine fleet. Originally a Soviet design in the 1980s, the Kilo-class was meant to be one of the world's quietest class of submarines. With 12 Kilos operational by 2006, it is unclear whether PLAN will buy more of these potent vessels.

Despite the purchase of the Kilo-class, the PLAN has continued to develop indigenous designs. The Type 039 submarine (Song-class) was first launched in 1994 with sea trials in 1995. It featured Western influences with a German propulsion system, seven blade skewed propeller and noise-reduction rubber tiles; however, the first hull retained the traditional stepped sail. The first hull was not fully operational until 1999. As a result of the sea trials a significantly modified designs emerged, with a number of improvements, including a conventional sail. By 2006 about 13 hulls have been confirmed to be built so far, indicating the class has performed satisfactorily. The Song-class presents a major milestone to indigenous submarine designs, being comparable in capabilities to contemporary Western submarines. Song submarines are armed with torpedoes and a sub-launched variant of the YJ-8 anti-ship missile. An AIP system may be installed in the future.

The Type 039A submarine (Yuan-class) is the latest of China's indigenous submarine. The hull seems to resemble Russian influences (as it is similar to the Kilo) while also adapting features found on the Type 039. The Yuan-class is likely fitted with an AIP system to achieve maximum silent operational capabilities and can be armed with advanced Russian and Chinese torpedoes and cruise missiles. The Yuan-class came as a surprise to US military intelligence, as the submarine's existence was entirely unknown until internet images emerged. This class of submarine is expected to have capabilities which surpass the Kilo and Song-classes. Series production began late in 2007, with at least 13 boats identified so far and up to 7 more under construction."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Liberation_Army_Nav...

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John Gorkowski
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I can't recall why we decided on those scores. But, I do remember making a conscious decision to deny LACM to the Akula, can't recall why though. There are a few things to keep in mind here. Just because a sub is fitted for a certain weapon does not mean that weapon will be used. Submarine launched surface to surface missiles are particularly problematic. They "seem" like a good idea in an environment where one is not facing significant ASW assets. But when faced with sub-stalking aircraft and frigates one might prefer torpedoes, especially if the missiles barely out range them.
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