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Pulling the lever for Gary Johnson was a slam dunk for me. I voted by mail so there weren't even any levers. I had to make one and put in the envelope with my ballot. But the race I had trouble with was US Senate.

Going in, I was absolutely certain I would vote against Mike Lee. Tea Party obstructionist extraordinaire, there was no way in hell I could vote for him. In this case, the platform was far less important than the mechanics of how they govern. Don't really like his platform to begin with, but it would by-and-large be better than what the Dems put up.

Until the Dems curled into the fetal position and just conceded the race. They didn't not nominate a candidate. They just chose one for the headlines. Misty Snow. She is the first transgendered person to win the nomination for a national legislative office. Oh, and she's a cashier. You want to bash on Trump for having no political experience? We have a cashier. Someone running simply on the novelty and star power of being transgendered.

Sweet Mother Of Richard Simmons... I am begging for an excuse to not pull the lever for Mike Lee, and the Dems had to get creative on how to keep me from doing it. A candidate who offers nothing... no experience in public office, no experience in business, law, finance, regulation.... nothing. Not a drop of anything. But she is transgendered. She may as well have changed her name legally to "Not Mike Lee."

I mean, my vote on this won't matter. Lee, despite some highly unfavorable ratings here in the state, will win in a landslide. My vote would have nothing to do with that. But as much as I loathe Lee, I couldn't pull the lever on anyone else. And it hurt. All I want is a single candidate I can vote FOR. Is that too much to ask for in this world?
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Pulling the lever for Gary Johnson was a slam dunk for me. I voted by mail so there weren't even any levers. I had to make one and put in the envelope with my ballot. But the race I had trouble with was US Senate.

Going in, I was absolutely certain I would vote against Mike Lee. Tea Party obstructionist extraordinaire, there was no way in hell I could vote for him. In this case, the platform was far less important than the mechanics of how they govern. Don't really like his platform to begin with, but it would by-and-large be better than what the Dems put up.

Until the Dems curled into the fetal position and just conceded the race. They didn't not nominate a candidate. They just chose one for the headlines. Misty Snow. She is the first transgendered person to win the nomination for a national legislative office. Oh, and she's a cashier. You want to bash on Trump for having no political experience? We have a cashier. Someone running simply on the novelty and star power of being transgendered.

Sweet Mother Of Richard Simmons... I am begging for an excuse to not pull the lever for Mike Lee, and the Dems had to get creative on how to keep me from doing it. A candidate who offers nothing... no experience in public office, no experience in business, law, finance, regulation.... nothing. Not a drop of anything. But she is transgendered. She may as well have changed her name legally to "Not Mike Lee."

I mean, my vote on this won't matter. Lee, despite some highly unfavorable ratings here in the state, will win in a landslide. My vote would have nothing to do with that. But as much as I loathe Lee, I couldn't pull the lever on anyone else. And it hurt. All I want is a single candidate I can vote FOR. Is that too much to ask for in this world?


Could you have abstained and not voted for Lee? As for not voting for Misty, yeah... that is no brainer. To be fair to the Democratic party, that is no win race, so thir choice not to devote any resources and allow the most "interesting" candidate to run seems like better than just a boring candidate. I dunno... tough call.

You will get another crack at this in 2018.
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GameCrossing wrote:
Pulling the lever for Gary Johnson was a slam dunk for me.

Gary Johnson ran one of the saddest political messages I've ever heard. It was almost incoherent. It was run in MD and he is apologizing for his generation (I'm going WTF). Then he bashes the federal government, in MD! Didn't your people do any research!

Meanwhile Evan McMullin continues to get noticed.

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Senate here, too. Clinton/Kaine's easy, I like Slaughter for the house, but Schumer, man. I know he's powerful, and he makes the blue team more powerful, but he's such a politician about it. Just distasteful.

I didn't even consider Wendy Long, but I thought I'd check out the Greens. The second line of her campaign website identifies her artist/activist name "Dragonfly". Next.

Moving on to the Libertarian, Merced appears to have gone back for seconds and thirds on the Kool-aid. I think I balked at the suggestion that Sarbanes-Oxley goes too far.

Schumer's got it locked up, but I sort of hoped I'd have the opportunity to vote for someone I thought maybe ought to get a shot later on. That's why I voted for Zephyr Teachout in the last Democratic Governor's primary, and now I really hope she wins NY-19. But these two yahoos don't seem to want to be taken seriously. So do I hold my nose and vote Schumer anyway, or just leave it blank? I still haven't decided.
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Voting for Johnson sucked for me, but a protest vote for unity over a platform I'd like but a disharmony I'm scared of, well... it was what it was.

There was an interesting prop we had in SD -- "nonpartisan elections." (You can perhaps guess where this is going.)

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Currently, most general election candidates for federal, state, and county offices are selected through a partisan primary or at a state party convention. This constitutional amendment eliminates those methods by establishing a nonpartisan primary to select candidates for all federal, state, and elected offices. This amendment does not apply to elections for United States President and Vice President.
Under the amendment, candidates are not identified by party affiliation the primary or general election ballot. All qualified voters, regardless of party affiliation, may vote for any candidate of their choice.

The two candidates with the most votes advance to the general election. For certain offices where more than one candidate is elected at the general election, the number of candidates advancing to the general election will be double the number of seats to be filled.

If the amendment is approved, a substantial re-write of state election laws will be necessary.

A vote “Yes” is for adding provisions to the Constitution to establish nonpartisan elections.

A vote “No” will leave the Constitution as it is. [3]




I'd highly prefer political parties be outright banned as the founders intended.

But I don't want nothing but Republicans on the ticket -- I'm in SD.

But I do think it's a better way of doing things -- if that's what people want, that's who they should get.

But, at the end of the day, I don't want only people I'm ideologically opposed to on the ticket.

I ended up leaving it blank -- couldn't decide, felt like I was missing something, felt like I just wasn't sure what to do w/ it.

Oh, then there's this one:

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Be it enacted by the people of South Dakota:
Section 1. Notwithstanding any other provisions of law, an organization, corporate or nonprofit, has the right to charge a fee for any service provided by the organization.

Section 2. The effective date of this Act is July 1, 2017


I had to look up what the fuck that was about -- it's about how closed shop unions can charge dues to workers in the shop who don't want to belong to the Union. I voted no, and I'm pissed that's the only language that went on the ballot -- blatantly obfuscatory. (This is a red state, I'm not sure why it's kowtowing to unions, but whatever.)

There was an anti-gerrymandering one that will hopefully pass, although I'm not sure how much you can get done w/ that in SD anyway.
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How does a cashier have no experience in business or finance? She probably has a better idea of real life outside the 1% than nearly all candidates. It's not like one Senator out of a hundred is a big deal.

My toughie is also US Senator, to replace Barbara Boxer. California has a non-partisan primary, meaning the top two vote getters are in the election tomorrow, Dem vs. Dem. Like Feinstein, Boxer is from Northern California, so SoCal has been without a Senator for a long time. But, I like the NorCal candidate a little better. I haven't decided.

Presidentially, CA is a lock, so I'm tempted to vote for some third party candidate. We have a fair few.
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Terwox wrote:
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I can't decide whether to hope that autocorrect might be behind this. In South Dakota, maybe?

But, in case it's not autocorrect, I think you mean "kowtowing".
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Voted early Thursday last week:

Clinton/Kaine - easy. (Although I did find out what Jill Stein's running mate's name was, so there's that.)
Ken Gordon / Paul Girouard - also easy, because Girouard is trying to exploit a nonexistent refugee "crisis" in the Trump mold.
All other candidates - unopposed, which... come on, democracy. Surely we're better than this.

4 propositions (suck it, CA!):

Question 1, allowing an additional casino license - fuck no
Question 2, raising the cap on additional charter schools - ehhhh not opposed in principle, but opposed in practice, so qualified no
Question 3, prohibiting certain kinds of farm animal containment - yes
Question 4, legalizing pot for recreational use if over 21 - yes
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GameCrossing wrote:
Pulling the lever for Gary Johnson was a slam dunk for me.


Is that worth, half a point?
 
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rinelk wrote:
Terwox wrote:
cowtailing


I can't decide whether to hope that autocorrect might be behind this. In South Dakota, maybe?

But, in case it's not autocorrect, I think you mean "kowtowing".


Ha, yeah, uhh, let's blame autocorrect.

(I just learned the term wrong. Funny!)
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Ha, yeah, uhh, let's blame autocorrect.

(I just learned the term wrong. Funny!)

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All other candidates - unopposed, which... come on, democracy. Surely we're better than this.

4 propositions (suck it, CA!): ...

They only let you make four decisions? shake

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GameCrossing wrote:
Pulling the lever for Gary Johnson was a slam dunk for me. I voted by mail so there weren't even any levers. I had to make one and put in the envelope with my ballot. But the race I had trouble with was US Senate.

Going in, I was absolutely certain I would vote against Mike Lee. Tea Party obstructionist extraordinaire, there was no way in hell I could vote for him. In this case, the platform was far less important than the mechanics of how they govern. Don't really like his platform to begin with, but it would by-and-large be better than what the Dems put up.

Until the Dems curled into the fetal position and just conceded the race. They didn't not nominate a candidate. They just chose one for the headlines. Misty Snow. She is the first transgendered person to win the nomination for a national legislative office. Oh, and she's a cashier. You want to bash on Trump for having no political experience? We have a cashier. Someone running simply on the novelty and star power of being transgendered.

Sweet Mother Of Richard Simmons... I am begging for an excuse to not pull the lever for Mike Lee, and the Dems had to get creative on how to keep me from doing it. A candidate who offers nothing... no experience in public office, no experience in business, law, finance, regulation.... nothing. Not a drop of anything. But she is transgendered. She may as well have changed her name legally to "Not Mike Lee."

I mean, my vote on this won't matter. Lee, despite some highly unfavorable ratings here in the state, will win in a landslide. My vote would have nothing to do with that. But as much as I loathe Lee, I couldn't pull the lever on anyone else. And it hurt. All I want is a single candidate I can vote FOR. Is that too much to ask for in this world?

Congratulations, GameCrossing, for voting for one of the most obstructionist Teavangelical Republicans in the U.S. Senate. At the same time, thank you for not so coyly confirming your Tea Party sympathies. After all, Mike Lee not only is an "Evangelical Mormon" Dominionist but also counts Dominionist-at-large Ted Cruz as his "best friend" in the U.S. Senate.



Utah Republican U.S. Senator Mike Lee (left) and Texas Republican U.S. Senator Ted Cruz have maintained close political ties for a few years, both having been elected with heavy Tea Party support.

Mike Lee won his seat in 2010 riding a massive Pea Party wave that swept away three-term Utah Republican U.S. Senator Bob Bennett. Since then, Lee has been one of the most conservative members of the Senate, and has teamed up with Texas Republican U.S. Senator Ted Cruz, to lead an anti-"Obamacare" strategy that resulted in a government shutdown in 2013 and a recent fight over President Barack Obama's immigration orders that allowed Democrats the time to confirm more of the President's nominees.

Those moves have infuriated many Republicans, both nationally and in in Lee's home state of Utah. Jon Huntsman Sr., Utah's wealthiest citizen, considers Senator Mike Lee an extremist and an embarrassment to the state of Utah.

Mike Lee served as legal counsel for former Gov. Jon Huntsman, who is Huntsman Sr.'s son. Lee is no longer close to his former boss and his relationship with Huntsman Sr. is non-existent.

Jon Huntsman, Sr. mentioned the shutdown in his criticism of the senator, saying it cost the Huntsman Cancer Institute federal money and hurt the state's recreation industry, since it forced national parks to close.


As per Right Wing Watch: Mike Lee is about as far to the right as you could possibly get when it comes to hostility to the federal government. Lee has denounced as “domestic enemies” those who disagree with his radically limited view of the (divinely inspired) Constitution. He'd abolish the federal departments of Energy and Education; dismantle the Department of Housing and Urban Development; and phase out Social Security. Earmarks, too, are unconstitutional, he says.

“Americans have been too willing to allow this document [the Constitution] to be the exclusive province of the Supreme Court of the United States,” Lee said. “The saving grace is that we Don’t have to rely on the Supreme Court.”

Lee wants to eliminate capital gains taxes and make the current tax system more regressive – more reliant on lower income taxpayers – and says his favorite approach to taxation would actually be to repeal the 16th amendment altogether, strip the federal government of the power to tax income, and leave it to the states to determine how they would tax their own citizens to pay for the limited federal government that would be left.

Mike Lee is a constitutional lawyer who'd like to make lots of changes to the Constitution: he has said he supports repeal of the 17th Amendment, which calls for popular election of U.S. Senators; he wants to “clarify” the 14th Amendment through legislation to deny citizenship to children born in the U.S. to parents who are not citizens or legal residents. H e wants to amend the Constitution to require a balanced federal budget and to impose congressional term limits.

Not surprisingly, Lee has called in the past for repeal of health care reform, saying, “The real solution to our current health care challenge is found in less government involvement in the process — not more.”

Not only that, Lee has sounded off like one of the radical Bundy bunch out west by calling for an end “once and for all” to what he calls the “unauthorized federal occupation of our land.” He says he’s “sick and tired” of “people back east” who prevent Utah from using its own land. “It’s time to reclaim that territory which is ours,” and “which can be regulated only by the great state of Utah.”

Mike Lee seems to have a forgiving approach to corporate misbehavior. Lee told the Salt Lake Tribune he didn't want to increase liability for corporations like BP [British Petroleum] even if it meant taxpayers would be on the hook for paying for catastrophic accidents like the one that BP caused in the Gulf of Mexico in the spring of 2010.

Mike Lee is opposed to legal abortion, and says, “The Constitution says nothing that can plausibly be read to suggest–as the Supreme Court concluded in Roe v. Wade – that States are essentially powerless to protect unborn human life. This power to protect the most vulnerable members of society needs to be returned to the States.”

Lee is not a supporter of equality for LGBT Americans. He's also said that the military "Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell" policy worked and should not have repealed. Lee also opposes the freedom to marry for same-sex couples.

Mike Lee is opposed to comprehensive immigration reform, particularly to guest worker programs and a path to citizenship for people in the country illegally, saying, “Illegal aliens should receive no benefit from having entered the United States illegally,” and should not be granted guest-worker visas or the opportunity to purchase lawful immigration status. In addition, he wants to mandate and enforce “the denial of federal and state welfare benefits to illegal immigrants.”

Lee, who says, “George Washington was the original Tea Party man,” has been endorsed by a cavalcade of right-wing leaders, including Senator Jim DeMint, U.S. Representatives Ron Paul and Tom McClintock, former U.S. Senator Rick Santorum, Freedomworks PAC, the Tea Party Express, radio talker Mark Levin, Red States' Erick Erickson, and Mitt Romney.

Heritage Action for America, the more explicitly political arm of the influential conservative think tank Heritage Foundation, has marred the image of its parent organization in the minds of some conservatives with its insistence in recent years on scorched-earth obstructionism over any attempt at governing.

Heritage Action is most infamous for encouraging Republicans to shut down the government in futile protest of the Affordable Care Act, but the group has used the same scorched-earth tactics on judicial nominations, urging Senate Republicans to bring a stop to nearly all judicial and executive branch confirmations even before Scalia’s death.

Heritage Action’s version of conservatism is so far out of the mainstream that even Senate Republicans score an average of just 60% approval on its organization's legislative scorecard. The two senators who have perfect scores from the group are Senators Mike Lee and Ted Cruz, who boastes about his bridge-burning obstructionism during his run for the Republican Presidential nomination.

Heritage Action’s single-minded focus on attacking the Affordable Care Act infamously helped lead to the 2013 government shutdown. One fellow Affordable Care Act opponent slammed Heritage and Cruz for the ordeal, writing that the “entire affair was bungled by a few narcissistic conservative groups and senators” and ended up actually hurting the cause they were claiming to support.

Politico reported in January that in advance of a GOP retreat in Baltimore, Heritage Action circulated a document among lawmakers declaring, “Given the Obama administration’s disregard for Congress’s role in our constitutional system of government, the Senate should refuse to confirm the president’s nominees unless those nominees are directly related to our national security.” This echoed previous calls from one of Heritage’s favorite senators, Ted Cruz of Texas, to completely shut down the judicial confirmation process.

Later that month, Heritage Foundation senior fellow Hans von Spakovsky and American Family Association governmental affairs director Sandy Rios agreed that Republicans should oppose all future Obama judicial nominees because, in von Spakovsky’s words, they would all share Obama’s “radical left-wing views.”

On January 26 of this year, Heritage Action announced that it would “continue to oppose all judicial nominees and reserve the right to key vote against any and all judicial nominees retroactively,” meaning that it would count support for any Obama judicial nominee against members of Congress in its orgnaizational scorecards — even, apparently, for votes that had already taken place. Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid specifically called out Heritage Action for pressuring GOP senators against action on judicial nominees.

Heritage Action, under the leadership of DeMint, and Heritage Action, headed up by Michael Needham, have acted as an arm of the Tea Party, working to pressure the GOP to be an immovable agent of obstruction in a divided government. One House Republican accused Heritage Action last year of insisting on “an unachievable standard” of conservatism that actually hurts the party’s goals by preventing reasonable action and compromise.


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The toughest one on our ballot was a 1% sales tax for education. Education is our state is disgracefully underfunded, so there's that. But it's yet another sales tax in a state which will then have the highest sales taxes in the nation, so we will be piling on the most regressive form of tax in what is overall a poor state. I voted no, but a bit of a coin flip.
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The toughest one on our ballot was a 1% sales tax for education. Education is our state is disgracefully underfunded, so there's that. But it's yet another sales tax in a state which will then have the highest sales taxes in the nation, so we will be piling on the most regressive form of tax in what is overall a poor state. I voted no, but a bit of a coin flip.
Similar, I haven't gone yet, but there is a levy for education for Cleveland Heights that would drive us over to being the highest tax burden in North East Ohio (even higher than Shaker Heights) and we pay almost twice the State average per pupil and our schools have terrible standardized test scores. I'm going to have to vote no just because the Schools have not satisfactorily indicated why we are where we are. I want to vote yes, because I know Ohio's school funding paradigm is a horrible joke and the State government is actually in contempt of past rulings by the court to get it fixed.
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My biggest dilemma today is which polling location to hit to avoid the lines.

As for Johnson, I love the guy, but he has come off as dumb as a stump in this election. Next election, I would hope he does his homework and come back looking presidential.
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Terwox wrote:
rinelk wrote:
Terwox wrote:
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I can't decide whether to hope that autocorrect might be behind this. In South Dakota, maybe?

But, in case it's not autocorrect, I think you mean "kowtowing".


Ha, yeah, uhh, let's blame autocorrect.

(I just learned the term wrong. Funny!)


Happens to all of us.

Just voted. Figured, so long as Schumer was going to be getting elected, anyway, there was no need to strain my principles enough to vote for him. In the battle between responsibility and integrity, this time, integrity won.

In other election news, there's a huge line at Susan B. Anthony's grave (which is quite near here). I find it a little amusing only because it's a Pokemon gym. Mt. Hope Cemetery is actually a wonderful place for a pokewalk, with a decent cluster of pokestops and marvelous scenery, so the kids and I have been there a couple times.
 
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My biggest dilemma today is which polling location to hit to avoid the lines.

As for Johnson, I love the guy, but he has come off as dumb as a stump in this election. Next election, I would hope he does his homework and come back looking presidential.

Hey, Gary Johnson did at least quit smoking pot for the duration of the Presidential campaign. *However*, in doing so, Johnson inadvertently proved himself a hypocrite because he gave the distinct impression that he would have performed differently on the campaign trail if he'd continued to smoke pot.

So, if Johnson had won the Presidency, apparently, he'd have had to continue to abstain from smoking pot for the next 4 --- or possibly even 8 -- years!


 
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.... She may as well have changed her name legally to "Not Mike Lee." ....


Hmmm, I wonder if there's a chance that might become a more widespread political tactic.
 
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.... She may as well have changed her name legally to "Not Mike Lee." ....

Hmmm, I wonder if there's a chance that might become a more widespread political tactic.

Perhaps for other Dominionist candidates, it very well just might.


 
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Do you think the result from yesterday would have been different if, instead of "Donald Trump" vs. "Hillary Clinton" it had been "Not Hillary Clinton" vs. "Not Donald Trump"?
 
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