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Sadly, the slide show that accompanies the article is PG at best....

http://us.cnn.com/2016/11/07/health/ethical-porn-ian-kerner/...

To be honest, the Internet actually saved porn for me. Professional porn reading material, movies/videos, and photographs quickly got boring to me in the early 1980s. But now, we have amateurs in the truest sense of the word putting their, uhm, output? on the web for all to enjoy or condemn.
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By definition, no: there is no good pornography. Just like there is no good murdering.

Killing can be justified in certain circumstances and being sensual/sexual has appropriate times and places too.


But it's not my place to say when those times and places are - someone else already determines that.
 
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Is "good porn" porn you watch until the end?

If that is the case, then no. There isn't. Wonder why....
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Sarxis wrote:
By definition, no: there is no good pornography. Just like there is no good murdering.

Killing can be justified in certain circumstances and being sensual/sexual has appropriate times and places too.


But it's not my place to say when those times and places are - someone else already determines that.
Is there actual scripture that demands sex be a private event? Or is it the act of doing it so others can be stimulated that is the problem?
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I would really like to participate in this conversation but like a character in an HP Lovecraft novel, I feel a vague, unsettling sense that if we talk about this for too long, we will summon an ancient, and also really stupid and annoying evil.
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TheChin! wrote:
Sarxis wrote:
By definition, no: there is no good pornography. Just like there is no good murdering.

Killing can be justified in certain circumstances and being sensual/sexual has appropriate times and places too.


But it's not my place to say when those times and places are - someone else already determines that.
Is there actual scripture that demands sex be a private event? Or is it the act of doing it so others can be stimulated that is the problem?


Scripture only relates to Sarxis beliefs insofar as he can use it to justify them.
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You know it when you see it.


Don't I know it.
 
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"good" is such a nebulous term.

If you mean "of moral/ethical value", there is some value in porn which encourages/foments more moral/ethical behavior, which might include anything from condom usage to consideration for women.

If you mean "high-quality", surely any medium has a range of quality that includes some at the top.

If you mean "effective at arousal", obviously this will vary by viewer.
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TheChin! wrote:
Sarxis wrote:
By definition, no: there is no good pornography. Just like there is no good murdering.

Killing can be justified in certain circumstances and being sensual/sexual has appropriate times and places too.


But it's not my place to say when those times and places are - someone else already determines that.
Is there actual scripture that demands sex be a private event? Or is it the act of doing it so others can be stimulated that is the problem?


The one that jumps out immediately to me is this:

Matthew 5:28 - But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

So it is one of those things whereby many Christians believe that watching pornography results in the watcher "lusting" for the person(s) being filmed in an act of sex. Since lusting is a sin, then by extension, watching pornography would also be sinful.

There is probably a whole bunch more stuff I could find, but this one was a quick one that I knew right away.
 
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TheChin! wrote:
Sarxis wrote:
By definition, no: there is no good pornography. Just like there is no good murdering.

Killing can be justified in certain circumstances and being sensual/sexual has appropriate times and places too.


But it's not my place to say when those times and places are - someone else already determines that.
Is there actual scripture that demands sex be a private event? Or is it the act of doing it so others can be stimulated that is the problem?


Matthew 5: 27-28 wrote:
27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.


Proverbs 23:7 wrote:
7 For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he: Eat and drink, saith he to thee; but his heart is not with thee.


So if we are called upon to not have sex outside of marriage, to remain faithful to our spouse, and to keep ourselves clean, we can't fill our minds with images which take us away from that. How much porn is okay until it affects who we are and how we see others?

So there -might- be an instance where porn -might- be acceptable to increase intimacy in a marriage between two faithful spouses without it taking their minds elsewhere, but the circumstances would be so marginal as to not be worth spelling out. Better for God to just lay down one blanket law about not committing adultery, even in your heart, and let that be good enough.
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I only watch porn featuring free range, organic porn stars. Does that help?



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Donald wrote:
I only watch porn featuring free range, organic porn stars. Does that help?





Do they recycle their condoms?
 
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GameCrossing wrote:
Donald wrote:
I only watch porn featuring free range, organic porn stars. Does that help?





Do they recycle their condoms?


What do you think Muscle Milk bottles are made out of?

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Thou shalt not commit adultery
You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife

Obeying the law of the land.

At the end of the day, even the best porn is a bunch of "So what?"
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Sadly, the slide show that accompanies the article is PG at best....

http://us.cnn.com/2016/11/07/health/ethical-porn-ian-kerner/...

To be honest, the Internet actually saved porn for me. Professional porn reading material, movies/videos, and photographs quickly got boring to me in the early 1980s. But now, we have amateurs in the truest sense of the word putting their, uhm, output? on the web for all to enjoy or condemn.


There is some very good porn out there (at least that is what I'm told).

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Sarxis wrote:
By definition, no: there is no good pornography. Just like there is no good murdering.

Killing can be justified in certain circumstances and being sensual/sexual has appropriate times and places too.


But it's not my place to say when those times and places are - someone else already determines that.


Sarxis would turn a crazed orgy into a wake.

Nobody wants to be fucked while hearing scripture.
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I only watch porn 30 seconds at a time.
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darthhugo wrote:
Sarxis wrote:
By definition, no: there is no good pornography. Just like there is no good murdering.

Killing can be justified in certain circumstances and being sensual/sexual has appropriate times and places too.


But it's not my place to say when those times and places are - someone else already determines that.


Sarxis would turn a crazed orgy into a wake.

Nobody wants to be fucked while hearing scripture.


Rule 34 begs to differ.
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chrisnd wrote:
TheChin! wrote:
Sarxis wrote:
By definition, no: there is no good pornography. Just like there is no good murdering.

Killing can be justified in certain circumstances and being sensual/sexual has appropriate times and places too.


But it's not my place to say when those times and places are - someone else already determines that.
Is there actual scripture that demands sex be a private event? Or is it the act of doing it so others can be stimulated that is the problem?


The one that jumps out immediately to me is this:

Matthew 5:28 - But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

So it is one of those things whereby many Christians believe that watching pornography results in the watcher "lusting" for the person(s) being filmed in an act of sex. Since lusting is a sin, then by extension, watching pornography would also be sinful.

There is probably a whole bunch more stuff I could find, but this one was a quick one that I knew right away.
Right, I got the whole coveting thing, but the creation of Porn is what was implied is wrong. If I make a recording of my wife and I, is that inherently wrong? Or does there have to be "intent to distribute"?
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That would imply that there was bad porn?
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GameCrossing wrote:
darthhugo wrote:
Sarxis wrote:
By definition, no: there is no good pornography. Just like there is no good murdering.

Killing can be justified in certain circumstances and being sensual/sexual has appropriate times and places too.


But it's not my place to say when those times and places are - someone else already determines that.


Sarxis would turn a crazed orgy into a wake.

Nobody wants to be fucked while hearing scripture.


Rule 34 begs to differ.


Tantric Chanting of Ezekial 3?

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TheChin! wrote:
chrisnd wrote:
TheChin! wrote:
Sarxis wrote:
By definition, no: there is no good pornography. Just like there is no good murdering.

Killing can be justified in certain circumstances and being sensual/sexual has appropriate times and places too.


But it's not my place to say when those times and places are - someone else already determines that.
Is there actual scripture that demands sex be a private event? Or is it the act of doing it so others can be stimulated that is the problem?


The one that jumps out immediately to me is this:

Matthew 5:28 - But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

So it is one of those things whereby many Christians believe that watching pornography results in the watcher "lusting" for the person(s) being filmed in an act of sex. Since lusting is a sin, then by extension, watching pornography would also be sinful.

There is probably a whole bunch more stuff I could find, but this one was a quick one that I knew right away.
Right, I got the whole coveting thing, but the creation of Porn is what was implied is wrong. If I make a recording of my wife and I, is that inherently wrong? Or does there have to be "intent to distribute"?


I know that for you this is all an academic thing so it's fun to toy with the margins, but to answer your question as best I can, let me share with you a phrase my aunt said all the time:

Aunt Louise wrote:
If we put as much effort into simply obeying the commandments as we put into searching for the loopholes, we would all be so much happier.
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remorseless1 wrote:
Sadly, the slide show that accompanies the article is PG at best....

http://us.cnn.com/2016/11/07/health/ethical-porn-ian-kerner/...

To be honest, the Internet actually saved porn for me. Professional porn reading material, movies/videos, and photographs quickly got boring to me in the early 1980s. But now, we have amateurs in the truest sense of the word putting their, uhm, output? on the web for all to enjoy or condemn.


Yeah, absolutely, there's good porn. There's also bad porn.

Personally, I like the way Dan Savage talks about it -- there is porn that is made for men who have had a lifetime of being rejected by women, who watch porn that dehumanizes women -- and is that really something you want to be reinforcing for yourself?

Said another way, do you want to create a sexual niche for yourself where your primary sexualization occurs while acting out a revenge fantasy?

But you can say all of that and be for standard male-dom female-sub S&M porn. He'd argue that you also need to be capable of having vanilla sex, generally, although it won't be true for everyone.
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It depends on how you define porn. There are certainly some very good, very erotic movies. I have no shame in admitting that I get turned on just by physical appearance, but that doesn't mean there are not other ways. The French do a lot of very tasteful eroticism, for example. Not very common in the US movie industry. Mainly because the dreaded NC17 rating here in the US kills any potential for the movie to make money whereas the French are no so squeamish about showing intercourse as we are here in the US.

Eyes Wide Shut is a pretty erotic movie (by Kubrick), which actually has an interesting plot. It falls short of being a great movie, but it is pretty solid. Kubrick had to go back and censor an orgy scene to avoid getting an NC17 rating.
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