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J.D. Hall
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Understand the whole "Never Again" thing. But it's free speech, right?

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/11/08/german-politician-se...
 
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remorseless1 wrote:
Understand the whole "Never Again" thing. But it's free speech, right?

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/11/08/german-politician-se...


You don't have the right to free speech in that regard in Germany.

Different countries have different constitutions.
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You don't have the right to free speech in that regard in Germany.

Different countries have different constitutions.
Yeah, I remember the old computer game Steel Panthers had two different victory point hex flag settings, Swastikas or Iron Crosses, so it could be played/sold in Germany.

Even modern computer games like World Of Tanks has no Swastikas in it, just iron crosses.
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remorseless1 wrote:
Understand the whole "Never Again" thing. But it's free speech, right?

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/11/08/german-politician-se...


So whats your point?

As Mac points out, Germany has different laws on speech. For some very specific historical reasons.

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maxo-texas wrote:
remorseless1 wrote:
Understand the whole "Never Again" thing. But it's free speech, right?

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/11/08/german-politician-se...


You don't have the right to free speech in that regard in Germany.

Different countries have different constitutions.

Oh I quite understand. I lived there when I was young. Still, it's always an eye-opener, living in a country where you can be a Nazi, a Communist, a Maoist, an Anarchist, etc. I love Germany and the German people, but I'm glad I live where I live.
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Let's just hand the keys of ICANN to people who have no 1st Amendment or sense of free speech shall we?

Oh wait, you say we already did?
 
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"[T]he German people will be burdened with a guilt the world will not forget in a hundred years. This guilt will fall not only on Hitler, Himmler, Göring, and their comrades but on you and me, your wife and mine, your children and mine, that woman crossing the street, and those children over there playing ball."

- Major General Henning von Tresckow, mastermind of the Hitler assassination plots

He was right, you know, and he said that relatively early in the war. Before Russia, before the death camps, before the brutality reached a truly monstrous and industrial scale.

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SPIGuy wrote:
"[T]he German people will be burdened with a guilt the world will not forget in a hundred years. This guilt will fall not only on Hitler, Himmler, Göring, and their comrades but on you and me, your wife and mine, your children and mine, that woman crossing the street, and those children over there playing ball."

- Major General Henning von Tresckow, mastermind of the Hitler assassination plots

He was right, you know, and he said that relatively early in the war. Before Russia, before the death camps, before the brutality reached a truly monstrous and industrial scale.



I wish they'd get over it - they are forgiven. This self hating is leading to another disaster for them.
 
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Sarxis wrote:
Let's just hand the keys of ICANN to people who have no 1st Amendment or sense of free speech shall we?

Oh wait, you say we already did?


Yeah, didn't those fuckers know that this is America, and we should own the internet, because freedom?
 
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remorseless1 wrote:
Understand the whole "Never Again" thing. But it's free speech, right?

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/11/08/german-politician-se...


Good for Germany. Curb stomp those fuckers (neo-nazis).
 
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Sarxis wrote:
SPIGuy wrote:
"[T]he German people will be burdened with a guilt the world will not forget in a hundred years. This guilt will fall not only on Hitler, Himmler, Göring, and their comrades but on you and me, your wife and mine, your children and mine, that woman crossing the street, and those children over there playing ball."

- Major General Henning von Tresckow, mastermind of the Hitler assassination plots

He was right, you know, and he said that relatively early in the war. Before Russia, before the death camps, before the brutality reached a truly monstrous and industrial scale.



I wish they'd get over it - they are forgiven. This self hating is leading to another disaster for them.

To truly forgive the Germans for the actions of their forebears, you must allow that they are fit to judge themselves and decide for themselves how to keep it from ever happening again.

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Sarxis wrote:
I wish they'd get over it - they are forgiven. This self hating is leading to another disaster for them.
It's not really self-hate, it's self-awareness and vigilance for "never again". The sentiment that allowed the Holocaust to happen didn't magically disappear in 45, and though greatly diminished still exists to one extent or another in the some places.
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remorseless1 wrote:
I love Germany and the German people, but I'm glad I live where I live.


So do I cool
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It always amuses me when Americans (especially in national security circles) would complain about the German (and Japanese) military being reluctant to help out in overseas commitments.

I'd remind them that many of us - very much including in Germany (and Japan) - consider that they're being insufficiently militaristic to be a very positive development.
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Hitler was 'Austrian', so, no wonder they're having 'qualms' about "foreigners infestation!" whistle
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gruescher wrote:
remorseless1 wrote:
I love Germany and the German people, but I'm glad I live where I live.


So do I cool


So where do you live in Germany? When my father was stationed near Heidelberg, we lived in a small town about 50km away called Schreisheim. I have promised myself that one day I would go back. Wonderful country, wonderful people.
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So where do you live in Germany? When my father was stationed near Heidelberg, we lived in a small town about 50km away called Schreisheim. I have promised myself that one day I would go back. Wonderful country, wonderful people.
I was stationed at Sembach AB (coincidentally located next to the village of Sembach, bout a half hour from Kaiserslautern)) for four years. I also loved it and kicked around staying there for awhile after I got discharged, but the job market was very tight, especially for non-nationals.
 
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Sarxis wrote:
Let's just hand the keys of ICANN to people who have no 1st Amendment or sense of free speech shall we?

Oh wait, you say we already did?

....No?
 
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remorseless1 wrote:
gruescher wrote:
remorseless1 wrote:
I love Germany and the German people, but I'm glad I live where I live.


So do I cool


So where do you live in Germany? When my father was stationed near Heidelberg, we lived in a small town about 50km away called Schreisheim. I have promised myself that one day I would go back. Wonderful country, wonderful people.


Hey, I used to go rock climbing in the quarry there!
 
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oldsin wrote:
remorseless1 wrote:
gruescher wrote:
remorseless1 wrote:
I love Germany and the German people, but I'm glad I live where I live.


So do I cool


So where do you live in Germany? When my father was stationed near Heidelberg, we lived in a small town about 50km away called Schreisheim. I have promised myself that one day I would go back. Wonderful country, wonderful people.


Hey, I used to go rock climbing in the quarry there!

It was way cool being a little kid and looking up at the top of the hill and seeing that old castle.
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maxo-texas wrote:
You don't have the right to free speech in that regard in Germany.

Different countries have different constitutions.
Yeah, I remember the old computer game Steel Panthers had two different victory point hex flag settings, Swastikas or Iron Crosses, so it could be played/sold in Germany.

Even modern computer games like World Of Tanks has no Swastikas in it, just iron crosses.


I am not in a mood to discuss this whole dilemma right now but the computer game business is mostly due to companies trying to preempt legal difficulties, not because of an actual obligation.
One thing I like to mention in this context is that you can broadcast Hogan's Heroes with swastikas and all in Germany and it's alright. Publicly glorifying Auschwitz (as the guy in the article did) isn't.

I have a ton of respect for the Anglo-American definition of free speech and I can see why some of you disagree with the legal situation here but this kind of thing is a real mess, no matter which way you deal with it.
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