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I can see the issues with ballot selfies. Should they be illegal? Is it needed to preserve the secret ballot?
 
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lfisher wrote:
I can see the issues with ballot selfies. Should they be illegal? Is it needed to preserve the secret ballot?


Yeah. Recording devices in voting booths should be illegal to preserve anonymity.

If you're proud of who you voted for, just say who you voted for.

(If we didn't do it this way, people might find out we're secret Trumpit dominioneers.)
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If you're using a phone camera, you don't have great control over the shot and may be getting other people in the shot that don't want to be photographed.

In an enclosed booth, I don't know if it's an issue.

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lfisher wrote:
I can see the issues with ballot selfies. Should they be illegal? Is it needed to preserve the secret ballot?


What about ballot selfies that include a picture of your underage child holding a pen and marking the ballot for you? Is that okay?
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What about a video of me sticking my finger up my butt and using my own feces to mark down my vote for Hillary? Don't I have the right to free speech?
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sfox wrote:
What about a video of me sticking my finger up my butt and using my own feces to mark down my vote for Hillary? Don't I have the right to free speech?


That's more performance art.

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sfox wrote:
What about a video of me sticking my finger up my butt and using my own feces to mark down my vote for Hillary? Don't I have the right to free speech?


That's...odd.
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chrisnd wrote:
sfox wrote:
What about a video of me sticking my finger up my butt and using my own feces to mark down my vote for Hillary? Don't I have the right to free speech?


That's...odd.


Yeah, he upped the ante too much on that one. I fold.
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Ha that is awesome Drew.
 
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lfisher wrote:
I can see the issues with ballot selfies. Should they be illegal? Is it needed to preserve the secret ballot?


They are illegal. They should be. It's needed to preserve true secret ballot voting. Allowing selfies allows voter intimidation.
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sfox wrote:
What about a video of me sticking my finger up my butt and using my own feces to mark down my vote for Hillary? Don't I have the right to free speech?


Well, at least in my state that would get the screen messy and also wouldn't register as a vote.
 
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I think it should be legal.

It's a pretty clear content based restriction on speech which requires a strict scrutiny test. I don't think an outright ban is "narrowly tailored", nor do I see a real compelling government interest in the ban.
 
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maxo-texas wrote:
lfisher wrote:
I can see the issues with ballot selfies. Should they be illegal? Is it needed to preserve the secret ballot?


They are illegal. They should be. It's needed to preserve true secret ballot voting. Allowing selfies allows voter intimidation.


Most places it is still legal or not well defined.
 
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Terwox wrote:
lfisher wrote:
I can see the issues with ballot selfies. Should they be illegal? Is it needed to preserve the secret ballot?


Yeah. Recording devices in voting booths should be illegal to preserve anonymity.

If you're proud of who you voted for, just say who you voted for.

(If we didn't do it this way, people might find out we're secret Trumpit dominioneers.)

I think we're so far down the point of including recording devices in items that people carry everywhere that prohibiting recording devices being in voting booths at all just isn't reasonable.
 
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The barn door's been left open for far too long on this issue.
 
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Just a grumpy old man wondering...

When will people get to the point where they start taking selfies above the toilet bowl, proudly displaying the crap floating in the water?

And you damn kids! Get off my lawn!
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chrisnd wrote:
lfisher wrote:
I can see the issues with ballot selfies. Should they be illegal? Is it needed to preserve the secret ballot?


What about ballot selfies that include a picture of your underage child holding a pen and marking the ballot for you? Is that okay?
Voter fraud! Check that kid's ID!
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maxo-texas wrote:
lfisher wrote:
I can see the issues with ballot selfies. Should they be illegal? Is it needed to preserve the secret ballot?


They are illegal. They should be. It's needed to preserve true secret ballot voting. Allowing selfies allows voter intimidation.

To clarify this point, if you allow people to take selfies it allows others to threaten (or pay) voters to vote in a certain way and require proof. The idea behind preventing people from bringing back any proof of how they voted is to prevent that sort of thing from occurring. That is why it is illegal.
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Terwox wrote:
lfisher wrote:
I can see the issues with ballot selfies. Should they be illegal? Is it needed to preserve the secret ballot?


Yeah. Recording devices in voting booths should be illegal to preserve anonymity.

If you're proud of who you voted for, just say who you voted for.

(If we didn't do it this way, people might find out we're secret Trumpit dominioneers.)


Just to be explicit, this is to protect YOU THE VOTER.

"Hey Terwox," says his unreasonable boss, "If you don't show me the selfie proving you voted for Candidate X, you're fired."
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maxo-texas wrote:
lfisher wrote:
I can see the issues with ballot selfies. Should they be illegal? Is it needed to preserve the secret ballot?

They are illegal. They should be. It's needed to preserve true secret ballot voting. Allowing selfies allows voter intimidation.

Can you explain how? I'm not seeing it.

EDIT: oh. hmm.
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Report: Votes Without Social Media Proof May Not Count

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U.S.—Early reports indicate that votes not posted about on social media may not count toward the vote tally in the 2016 presidential race.

Election officials were able to confirm that voters who do not post at least one picture of themselves in a voting line, wearing an “I Voted” sticker, or at bare minimum tweet about how they voted might see their ballots tossed out as illegitimate.

“Fulfilling your civic duty is more than sharing an ‘I Voted’ sticker selfie, but it’s certainly not less,” election official Justin Gilbert said. “To that end, officials will be looking for hard proof of each individual’s vote, in the form of Instagram, Facebook, and/or Twitter photos. We advise sharing these images to every single social media account you use, just to be safe.”

“So get out there and vote, but more importantly, tell everyone about it. Loudly. All day long.”

This revelation could put a wrinkle in earlier election predictions, especially in key swing states like Florida, North Carolina, New Hampshire, and Nevada.

“Frankly, the more millennials your state has, the better,” Gilbert explained. “Since self-referential social media posts will likely be decisive this year, areas with sizable elderly populations are at a severe disadvantage. Telegrams, handwritten letters, and e-mails from AOL or Juno simply do not count.”


Oh...wow.

Juno

Goddam, I'd completely forgotten about them. Ha - and that's actually where my current Microsoft email address originates from, roughly. Couldn't find any other thing that came to mind, that didn't require a string of numbers on it, and wasn't already taken.

[Random 2 second Google search later]

HOLY SHIT THEY ARE STILL IN BUSINESS?!
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TheChin! wrote:
chrisnd wrote:
lfisher wrote:
I can see the issues with ballot selfies. Should they be illegal? Is it needed to preserve the secret ballot?


What about ballot selfies that include a picture of your underage child holding a pen and marking the ballot for you? Is that okay?
Voter fraud! Check that kid's ID!


You people laugh about this, but the Baltimore State's Attorney (you know, that lady that declared all of those cops guilty before trial, and then dropped the charges against the few remaining cops because the jury kept repeating "not guilty", "not guilty") - that's what she did. She selfied a picture of her less-than-18-yo daughter "casting her ballot", posted it on social media, then had it taken down a few hours later when she realized that she not only broke one law, but possibly two (by having an underage, non-registered person vote for her).

So it isn't really as funny as one might think that it is.

Regardless, phones, cameras, and other recording devices should be banned from polling locations, period! Full Stop! The End! It is not a matter of "free speech" for yourself, it is a matter of maintaining the right of privacy for everyone else around you.
 
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I think it should be legal.

It's a pretty clear content based restriction on speech which requires a strict scrutiny test. I don't think an outright ban is "narrowly tailored", nor do I see a real compelling government interest in the ban.

Huh. I see it as very narrowly tailored to a compelling government interest. The narrow tailoring is the prohibition of a single aspect of speech (photo/video) in a very specific place (a voting booth). The compelling interest is in preventing outside influence on voters. You are still allowed to say or write about who you voted for all day long. Heck you can even draw or paint a picture of it. The only thing you can't do is create a mechanical recording of the result. That's a very minor limitation to prevent something that is not a hypothetical problem but an actual historical one.

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Done and done.

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jmilum wrote:
I think it should be legal.

It's a pretty clear content based restriction on speech which requires a strict scrutiny test. I don't think an outright ban is "narrowly tailored", nor do I see a real compelling government interest in the ban.


Then you haven't studied history.

Bring us a selfie of a vote for Trump or you're fired. Without the selfie aspect, that's what used to happen.

(Actually its more likely in an election with a small electorate rather than a national race. In a small company town this could be a real threat.)
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