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Should I buy both to get the most of the experience, or just one or the other?

Can you use cards from both games together?
 
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The climate stand-alone contains the base game anyway. However, try a dozen games at least with the base game before you use Climate.
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beri2 wrote:
The climate stand-alone contains the base game anyway. However, try a dozen games at least with the base game before you use Climate.


A dozen? I'll be lucky if I get that many in total after several years. Why not Climate immediately?
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You just need 'Climate' - you can play the original Evolution game with what is in the box anyway. Unless you will be playing the game as a very entry level gateway game then there is no real reason to play without the Climate part of the game anyway.
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It depends on the level of depth and the flavor of game you want to play. Climate adds a bonus distinct level of complexity to an already excellent game, but that level of complexity might be off-putting to some players. Not me, mind you! I love what it adds, but I know I'm not a good representation of a larger population (see what I did there?)
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It depends if you want to play the climate part or the flight part of the game because they are not entirely compatible with each other.

If you don't want flying dino's i would say buy climate the base game is in the box.

If you rather want to have flying dino's you need basegame + flight expansion.
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I love how the card you put onto the watering hole board is not just about food production but about affecting the climate as well. Also, some of the traits now provide some protection/penalty for cold/heat, so you're not just managing your species based on what the other players' species are doing, but what's happening with the climate.

I like the added layer of strategy offered by Climate. And as others have said, you can ignore it and just play the base game if you want. I think Climate is a safe option for you.
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Tigrillo wrote:
beri2 wrote:
The climate stand-alone contains the base game anyway. However, try a dozen games at least with the base game before you use Climate.


A dozen? I'll be lucky if I get that many in total after several years. Why not Climate immediately?


CLIMATE is designed for people who like heavy board games. If you like games that are similar in weight to Terra Mystica, Scythe, or Agricola, then you should get CLIMATE. If you prefer games similar in weight to Pandemic, 7 Wonders, Small World or Citadels, then you should get Evolution: The Beginning. If you like something in the middle of those two weights, then you should get Evolution.

CLIMATE was designed to be explored hundreds of times without getting old. If you don't ever expect to play the game more than 10 times in your life, then you won't be getting very much of what the game has to offer.
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You could say that about most other games but the fact is that most of us here on BGG have way too many games to do that with unfortunately.
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Tigrillo wrote:
You could say that about most other games but the fact is that most of us here on BGG have way too many games to do that with unfortunately.


Worth making an exception in this case, IMHO
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I could say that a hundred other games too
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Tigrillo wrote:
You could say that about most other games but the fact is that most of us here on BGG have way too many games to do that with unfortunately.


Here is a list of people on BGG who record their plays of Agricola. This is a small sample of the people who frequent this website since most BGG users don't record their plays. Everyone on the first page has played Agricola over 100 times. So while rare, it does happen on occasion:

https://boardgamegeek.com/playstats/thing/31260

I went to page 20 just to for kicks. There are over 1,000 people (who record games on the BGG) who have played Agricola more than 20 times. So I don't think it's weird to design a game for the hardcore gaming community that is expected to be played 10 or more times. You don't have to play CLIMATE 10 times to start enjoying it, but it was designed with that group of people in mind.
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I play most of my games between 15 and 25 times. The one that I love the most are played more than that, especially if there are some kind of expansion to freshen the gameplay after a while, but Climate should be great on this purpose with the addition of the climate track, the events, the scenario cards, the promo traits and the plants mini expansion.

The solution for this is super easy and economical: Just buy less games! Just choose the best of the best.
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Tigrillo wrote:
beri2 wrote:
The climate stand-alone contains the base game anyway. However, try a dozen games at least with the base game before you use Climate.


A dozen? I'll be lucky if I get that many in total after several years. Why not Climate immediately?


Because it's absolutely murderous. I played it with three newbies on Sunday, and we had to restart after the first turn because everyone except me went extinct. The second time we did a lot better - only two people went extinct. It isn't just the potential to knock 4 food out of the pool on turn 1; with an extra card available making an early Carnivore becomes much stronger.
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Because it's absolutely murderous. I played it with three newbies on Sunday, and we had to restart after the first turn because everyone except me went extinct. The second time we did a lot better - only two people went extinct. It isn't just the potential to knock 4 food out of the pool on turn 1; with an extra card available making an early Carnivore becomes much stronger.


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Very true, CLIMATE can be absolutely murderous at times, especially to new players. But it can also be plush with food if the weather goes tropical. You'll be hanging out at the beach drinking pina colatas when that happens.

All in all, I'd say CLIMATE is a slightly less Carnivorous game environment than anything else in the product line, but it makes up for it by packing danger in every other corner.

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Very true, CLIMATE can be absolutely murderous at times, especially to new players. But it can also be plush with food if the weather goes tropical. You'll be hanging out at the beach drinking pina colatas when that happens.


Sure. But all it takes is a couple of people not paying full attention to send the climate track the other way - or someone does it deliberately because they're making a Carnivore anyway - and suddenly nobody eats. If that happens to a group of newbies they're not going to be having a good time. That's why you have to play the base game first. There's always a decent amount of food and you get a chance to play around without being wiped out.
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domcrap wrote:
Jedit wrote:
Because it's absolutely murderous. I played it with three newbies on Sunday, and we had to restart after the first turn because everyone except me went extinct. The second time we did a lot better - only two people went extinct. It isn't just the potential to knock 4 food out of the pool on turn 1; with an extra card available making an early Carnivore becomes much stronger.


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Very true, CLIMATE can be absolutely murderous at times, especially to new players. But it can also be plush with food if the weather goes tropical. You'll be hanging out at the beach drinking pina colatas when that happens.

All in all, I'd say CLIMATE is a slightly less Carnivorous game environment than anything else in the product line, but it makes up for it by packing danger in every other corner.

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Sounds great!!
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Tigrillo wrote:
You could say that about most other games but the fact is that most of us here on BGG have way too many games to do that with unfortunately.


One of the reasons I try to keep my game collection small-ish is to make sure that the games I do have get played regularly. There's just no point (for me) in tying up money and space for a game that gets played maybe once a year.
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