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Just posting my opinion and collected comments for this game:

I'd need to know the full rules to really figure out if the price asked is worth the pledge. The rulesheet provided on the kickstarter is not enough (imho).

Also, i wonder if you are forced to take a team as a whole. Can you build a team as you choose to spend $ within your ludus? are you forced to take 3 different gladiators?

If you can customize your gladiator crew, it'd be very nice to have additional miniatures to do just that and represent it on the board.

Re-stating this: female and male versions of miniatures would be great, too, including slaves.



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Re: Questions and suggesetions
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We are going to upload the Rules summary the "Munus Legitimum" scenario, which recreates a full day at the Amphitheatre, with a beast hunt, a sacrifice of convicts, and gladiator duels.

Please, be aware that the current version is a draft. All our texts are translated by a professional translator and proofread by 2 people, and we have no started with the Games book yet. But we don't want to upload only the Spanish version, we feel it would be unfair for English speakers.

During the gameplay, it's very uncommon to deploy 3 Gladiators of the same team at the same time (it happens only in huge battles), so the usual way to proceed is to choose and train one (maybe two), and save some extra money for bribes, making sure your chosen Gladiator jumps into the arena (all Gladiators, except for those in the Extra Teams, have to pass a Sortitio Roll to be selected for the Games).

All gladiators in the Extra Teams are of the same class (armatura) and every scenario in the Games Book lists how many of them will take part in it. They don't need a Sortitio Roll (if one of them missed it, the next one would be exactly the same).

There is indeed the possibility of individually upgrading your Gladiators, but those are advanced rules from the expansions. E.g., you can buy them better weapons and armor, or Skill Cards. To be able to publish those rules and expansions we need first to crowdfund the basic game... but we have no intention of stopping there!

We would also love to have different miniatures for the Slaves, and having female Slaves, but those are part of the hidden Stretch Goals. Every new 3d model and its cast requires a very high investment. We need more backers to make it happen!

Thank you for your questions!
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Thanks alot for your replies, it does shed more light.

Basically, the "teams" are a pool of recruits you can draw from, rather than a full team you will use every game if i understand correctly.

So if my favorite gladiator is say...the Secutor. I can train him and make sure he passes his sortitio roll with bribes so I won't need to use the other ones.

This is certainly encouraging as far as replayability value. I can't wait to see more of the rules.
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Re: Questions and suggesetions
Sybaris wrote:
Thanks alot for your replies, it does shed more light.

Basically, the "teams" are a pool of recruits you can draw from, rather than a full team you will use every game if i understand correctly.

So if my favorite gladiator is say...the Secutor. I can train him and make sure he passes his sortitio roll with bribes so I won't need to use the other ones.

This is certainly encouraging as far as replayability value. I can't wait to see more of the rules.


Hi, Sybaris. You are right. Most games you won't be using your three gladiators, as only one or two are needed, depending on the number of Events; usually the longer the game, the more gladiators you will use.

Yesterday we added a new scenario (Munus Legitimum) to the core rules. Check it out here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_s6eERFKUAAMTd1UlZzc1kybGs...



Thank you for your interest!
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Re: Questions and suggesetions
Thanks for that.

What's Jupiter's lightning supposed to represent?

Is it a spear thrown into the arena by a gladiator or is it actually something magical in nature going on?

While i am no specialist, i don't recall reading of thunderstruck gladiators anywhere . If it represents a spear thrown, i'd call it Herculean Throw rather than lightning, just for thematic purposes.

Keep in mind that i do not know the game very much, but isn't that card a bit too random and powerful? I don't know how many wounds gladiators actually have, but if the card can kill one instantly, it might ruin all careful management of that player simply with a random flip of a card. While it may be "cool" for the player who gets it, it might be a bad experience for the player who is the target.


Lastly, looking at the sketch of the retiara, i think that the 2nd one may feel more realistic. I doubt that female gladiators wore "bras" or tunics to cover their breasts, or is there any sources to that effect? The result, on the artwork, is that the cloth looks "tacked on"...it'd probably be annoying for the fighter as well. Modern athletes "tape" their breasts so they don't jiggle, i don't know if gladiators would do the same to avoid it.







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Re: Questions and suggesetions
Sybaris wrote:
Thanks for that.
What's Jupiter's lightning supposed to represent?


It can represent some injury suffered by a gladiator (ie: a torn knee ligament, etc). We know know it's bad luck, but in the past, these kind of things sometimes were thought to be curses or some kind of divine misfortunes, or punishments.

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I don't know how many wounds gladiators actually have, but if the card can kill one instantly, it might ruin all careful management of that player simply with a random flip of a card.


It can't only by itself. It's just another asset. If you use it in the right moment (against a seriously wounded enemy, etc.), it might help you to kill him. That can be said about many other cards or skills. It's just another asset you'll have in order to plan your attacks and actions.

Nonethless, it's true it's a powerful card.

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I doubt that female gladiators wore "bras" or tunics to cover their breasts, or is there any sources to that effect?


The bandages are there because kids can play Gladiatoris too. You can read more on this here:
http://www.escenarys.com/en/retiaria-sine-scuto/

The designers might want to correct me or expand on this.
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Retiara's bra:

At least the miniature is fine as far as i can see (please don't change that), which is a good thing in my book, and the romans probably didn't mind either. As for the artwork, the "straps" of the manica (if i am learning those words correctly)already covered the "offending nipple" factor for young eyes (lol).

I was unaware that globes of breasts were offensive, since you can see these things in general public movies, at the beach or in commercials aplenty. So...I'd suggest to revert it to the original, it'll grab some attention if nothing else...and it is possible that romans thought the exact same thing when they did send women to fight in the arena.

Jupiter's Lightning:

As for Jupiter's lightning, the name is evocative of a fantasy setting imho (it looks like a spell card's name), but i can see what you mean don't worry, just that for many gamers who might not be as historically savvy as the designers, they may have a misconception about the game.

My initial reaction was that it looked like a divine interention, even though, in retrospect, it probably is misfortune. However, a 2 wound misfortune is a big one, so i'd like to see it named as a heroic deed instead or catastrophic wounds. Punctured Artery would be very dramatic for a name, and instill dread wherever it happens, and i do remember seeing a depiction of a retiarus surrendering because of such wound, so it is realistic and historical, as well.


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That gladiator would have looked far more menacing with a helmet. The curly haircut look a bit too playful and happy in my opinon. Also, having fought with two weapons in the past, i can tell you that the combination is extremely efficient against most opponents, especially slower ones.

I read you wanted to have the Sine Scuto (light blue) team to be helmet-free, but the team is already without shields across the board and that's, imho, quite enough distinction. A helmet would clearly make that gladiator look as the "heaviest" of the fast guys, and logically the most dangerous on the offense.

The drawback of this combination is against thrown weapons and that's why a shield and a helmet is better on a battlefield, but there's not many ranged weapons in the arena, and a wider field of vision and unrestricted breath is priceless in combat, so this combination would likely be dominant as it is.

When you look at the other gladiators that do not have a helmet, they have very skill-intensive weaponry. Both a lasso or a net can actually become a liability if caught or badly used, and a trident is also not the best weapon even though it has a long reach: it can only be really dangerous by thrusting (otherwise it's little more than a staff when swinging from the side).

In comparison, a sword is perhaps one of the deadliest weapons at the time. It really is a warrior's weapon and also a sign of status, something that retiarii did not have at all. I can only imagine a warior armed with 2 swords as a serious fighter. It is hard to be competent, but the offensive potential is devastating. So all in all i think that the gladiator is in the right team, but that he deserves an helmet because he is not armed with a fisherman or peasant's weapon.

A helmet would also offset some of the advantageous combination by restricting vision and breath and adding weight, so it makes the match ups closer from a "theatrical" point of view.

I only allow myself this suggestion because you stated that there are no sure sources for this gladiator type, so while it does give you some liberty to depict him as you want, i just wanted to give imput from a fighting point of view. I certainly don't pretend to know if they had a helmet or not, but i think it's a safer bet given his armatura. The gladiators helmets are more of a liability than a real protection.

Edit (added clearer words to the text).
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Sybaris wrote:

Retiara's bra:

[...] As for the artwork, the "straps" of the manica (if i am learning those words correctly)already covered the "offending nipple" factor for young eyes (lol).[...]


Well, I don't think the young ones are offended by nipples. It's probably their parents the ones who are offended whistle

I'm certainly not, but I understand the need. There is no shortage of potentail controversial themes in a Gladiatoris game (slaves, nudity, bloodshed, etc...). I think the designers have been very brave with most of them, so I'm willing to allow minor concessions over some aspects that are not relevant to the game itself, such as those bandages

Sybaris wrote:

Jupiter's Lightning:

As for Jupiter's lightning, the name is evocative of a fantasy setting imho (it looks like a spell card's name), but i can see what you mean don't worry, just that for many gamers who might not be as historically savvy as the designers, they may have a misconception about the game.


Yes, I'm with you. If you don't know how the game works and you hear about a "Jupiter's Lighning" card that scorches an opponent, you are going to have some serious misconceptions about the game. This is the designers fault, they should have anticipated it.

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However, a 2 wound misfortune is a big one, so i'd like to see it named as a heroic deed instead or catastrophic wounds.


It certainly is a big one. Make no mistake, it IS a very powerful card, probably the most potent of the game. Drawing this card is the equivalent of having a very nice roll in terms of luck. But you still need to use it wisely, or you might end helping an opponent.

It's been named this way because the romans used to attribute these kind of misfortunes to divine intervention, or punishment. Religion was a part of their daily life and this has some reflections on the amphiteatre as well.

It doesn't mean an actual lightning falls from the sky and hits the fighter. As I said, he can just suffer some kind of misfortune, internal bleeding or some other non apparent injury and fall to the ground. Not understanding what really happened because they saw no actual blow landing on the fighter, the public from the stands could think the fighter had previolusy offended the gods (by defeating another favored gladiator in the past, or mocking the gods, praying to a rival god, etc.). Some days later, the story could have grown and some people might actually claim to have seen a lighting come down from the sky


I cannot tell you about the Dimachaerus and the Sine Scuto. Your knowledge on the matter is superior to mine modest
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I really want to back this game but the price is very high. One thing that might sway me - do the different "styles" of gladiator actually fight differently to each other? For example, does the heavily armoured gladiator (big shield, greaves etc.) receive some sort of armour advantage but at the expense of speed/agility? If they all fight identically and the different miniatures are just for aesthetics, that would put me off.
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Baldrick0712 wrote:
I really want to back this game but the price is very high. One thing that might sway me - do the different "styles" of gladiator actually fight differently to each other? For example, does the heavily armoured gladiator (big shield, greaves etc.) receive some sort of armour advantage but at the expense of speed/agility? If they all fight identically and the different miniatures are just for aesthetics, that would put me off.

Hello, Baldrick0712.

I’m glad you like our game!

Yes, each team features a combat style, it’s not just aesthetics. Level I Scutarii (Big Shields), for example, have 2 Damage Dice and 3 Defense Dice, plus defensive skills. Sine Scuto (No Shield), on the other side, boast 4 Damage Dice and 1 Defense Dice at level I and they have offensive skills. They also move 1 additional hex because their equipment is not as heavy. A Secutor would never catch up with a Retiaria!

In a team, normally all 3 Gladiators share the same characteristics (that’s their “combat style”), but different weapons, attacks, defenses and special skills. And not all of them can level up to III (Laquearius, Desultor and Paegniaria must stop at II).

Thanks for your interest!
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I think the problem with the kickstarter might be not only the price, but also that the non-spanish market may have been neglected.

Taking the game to an english board game event in England, or maybe to another country outside of Spain may have helped a lot to draw more attention to it, and could have provided more english content about the game to already be online before the kickstarter began.

Also there currently simply is no competing with Mythic Battles: Phanteon. The amount of stuff they offer for the same money is insane.

I truly do wish Gladiatoris to succeed, I think it will be a very interesting game. I really like the gladiator theme. But even the best game won't find its audience without the marketing to support it.

My advice would be to observe and perhaps get in contact with the fellows behing Mythic Battles: Phanteon because they also work with high quality mini's for their game, making it a pricy business, and they are mainly french so also have a language barrier to overcome.
They may be able to offer some helpfull tips.
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Rhalius wrote:
I think the problem with the kickstarter might be not only the price, but also that the non-spanish market may have been neglected.

Taking the game to an english board game event in England, or maybe to another country outside of Spain may have helped a lot to draw more attention to it, and could have provided more english content about the game to already be online before the kickstarter began.

Also there currently simply is no competing with Mythic Battles: Phanteon. The amount of stuff they offer for the same money is insane.

I truly do wish Gladiatoris to succeed, I think it will be a very interesting game. I really like the gladiator theme. But even the best game won't find its audience without the marketing to support it.

My advice would be to observe and perhaps get in contact with the fellows behing Mythic Battles: Phanteon because they also work with high quality mini's for their game, making it a pricy business, and they are mainly french so also have a language barrier to overcome.
They may be able to offer some helpfull tips.


Thank you very much for your advice! We have done everything we could, with a really low budget... But, indeed, we "fight" against very big KS projects (we are even patrons of their campaigns, of course).

The promotion in other countries has been very difficult for us so far: we are receiving now many advices from people who believe in Gladiatoris and want to support us to promote it in USA, UK, France... So we will follow their advice.

This is not the first "dangerous troll bridge" we have encountered since we started advertising Gladiatoris in 2009... And if we continue it has been due to good reviews from all who have tried the game.

We have posted a gameplay video in English, and social goals with which we hope all our patrons will become agents and increase our circle of action.



Thank you for believing in Gladiatoris!
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The good reviews are very encouraging yes, and you certainly have a unique game to offer.

I've waited some years so far, and I'll keep waiting untill it's possible to get this wonderfull game.
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I have a suggestion to help the Kickstarter.

New Optional Purchases:

"Scutarii" team
"Parmularii" team
"Sine Scuto" team
"Petauristae" team

Reason:

Backers could pledge at the "Tiro" level ($1 or more) and add one or more of the above teams from the base game to their pledge. I would back if this was an option, as the full game is a bit too high a price for me but currently at the "Tiro" level you can only purchase the "extra" teams, which have three identical gladiators in each (not a good selling point).

I hope the Kickstarter succeeds but right now the price point is just too high for me, for the full game. The miniatures are your main selling point, so why not leverage some more backers using that?
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