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Subject: Honaire loot rss

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Daniel Takai
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What's the purpose of the Honaire loot? It's not given out in either the base set or adventure one, isn't it?
 
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Look at the Estra character card list, she automatically gets Honaire as one of her starting cards.
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I haven't looked over the MM rules, but shouldn't Honaire be classified a Cohort instead of Loot? Loot is handed out as a reward for completing scenarios, and Honaire is definitely not "loot", despite Estra's background as a con-artist.
 
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No, because the Cohort rules don't apply to him. Particularly, if he were to get banished, which I've seen happen, he is not lost forever.
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I think this was a deliberate decision by Paizo. As a cohort he'd be stuck with Estra the whole game, and could be banished, which would make the character useless as Balazar if he'd lose his cohort.

As loot, this card can be equipped by almost any character and can then be passed on to another character during play or between scenarios.

-K.
 
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It also means he's classified as an Ally where Cohorts aren't.
 
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Exactly. LOOT is the *wrong* word based on the framework Lone Shark/Paizo set up.

I guess I'll post something in the Paizo forums and see what they say.
 
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No. Loot is PERFECT. If Honaire was a regular ally then any schmo could acquire him. That would be bonzo broken. Instead, by slapping Loot on there, only specific things can award him to a player. IE ownership. Have you seen Estra's stats? She has a d4 on everything he can help with. On anyone else, he'd be bonkers.
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I started up a thread on Paizo's forums.

This is confusion over how Loot cards behave in regards to deck construction:

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Your deck must end up meeting the Cards List requirements on your character card. Loot cards count as cards of their type. For example, if your character’s Cards List specifies 3 items, and you keep 1 loot card with the item type when you rebuild your deck, your deck must contain exactly 2 other items.


Loot cards would still have to be "earned" either as a scenario reward or granted via a character card. There are still some cases where "some schmo" could acquire Honaire.

1.) The rules allow a hero to give a card to another hero on their turn. Honaire is a card, so this is allowed unless Honaire's card says otherwise.

This is a minor nit-pick though, because Estra would reacquire the card at the end of the scenario when building her deck, and this tactic would have to be repeated every scenario.

2.) There is still the problem with character death. All the characters cards remain to be picked over if Estra dies.

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The other characters may use the dead character’s cards when they rebuild their decks after the scenario; any cards they don’t keep are then returned to the box.


The best time to do this would be at the start of the campaign - Estra simply discards her cards every turn until she dies (can't draw her hand size). and the other heroes take a knee and let the Blessing Deck run out. The survivors can pick up Honaire and add it to their decks provided the replacement character isn't Estra. The condition of earning the card was already met when she joined the party - it entered play because of a character card and is then treated like an ally.

You can't do that with a Cohort because cohorts require a specific condition to be in play, and since decks don't have a "cohort" section, you couldn't add it.

Conceptually, I understand "loot" is desirable as a consistent word because every type of card could be covered. Sure Honaire is a cohort/ally, but what if later something like Valeros' Tankard or Seelah's Helmet became "loot"? If the word was "cohort" it wouldn't fit.

 
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I would think that the Honaire card is intended to stay with Estra. I don't have the card so I can do more that suppose, but it's essentially her Cohort. I would think that if you want to find some loop hole and give it to another character, that's what you will do, but I don't think that's what is intended.
 
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jhochges wrote:
I would think that the Honaire card is intended to stay with Estra. I don't have the card so I can do more that suppose, but it's essentially her Cohort. I would think that if you want to find some loop hole and give it to another character, that's what you will do, but I don't think that's what is intended.


It depends on much you want to stick to the theme and original source material. If theme isn't critical, then after you start the game, who Honaire accompanies is up to you.

But mechanically, there are differences between loot and cohorts, and it only makes sense to be attentive to those differences.
 
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Yes, that's the whole problem, which is why I brought it to Paizo's / Lone Shark's attention. There are unintended side-effects to expanding the classification of "loot" to include character-specific starting cards. Lone Shark should have used a different word, and the fact that they dropped cohorts means they thought about the problem, but didn't thoroughly vet the solution - unless the intention was to allow starting loot cards to be stolen, in which case well done.
 
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Wait. 'Stolen'?

I assume you mean given away / redistributed. How does one steal a card?
 
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Besides, wasn't this kind of covered with some of the loot cards in Wrath that showed up in adventure 3? That was loot that had an owner.
 
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