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Brian Ciuppa

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In a game like this one does it matter if the dice are well balanced?
 
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ciuppa wrote:
In a game like this one does it matter if the dice are well balanced?


The dice are balanced between the cards ability and the cost to add to the team (characters) or add to play (upgrades/support).
 
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I don't think it even matters in X-wing where they are often unbalanced. Odds are they won't be perfectly symmetrical, most dice aren't unless they're casino grade d6's. Even if the die is unbalanced I've get to see one experiment proving that it matters when you role them. Sure one side floats up in water, but rolling on a table does that little bit even matter.
 
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you have ways to change your die roll so whatever you roll you can manipulate the results to a degree.
 
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Crikrunner wrote:
I don't think it even matters in X-wing where they are often unbalanced. Odds are they won't be perfectly symmetrical, most dice aren't unless they're casino grade d6's. Even if the die is unbalanced I've get to see one experiment proving that it matters when you role them. Sure one side floats up in water, but rolling on a table does that little bit even matter.

Unbalanced (weighted) dice do actually affect the roll on the table. If they didn't, you can be sure casinos wouldn't spend the money they do on the tight tolerances in their dice.

Now, how much they affect the roll on the table depends on how off-center their center of mass is, or how deformed their shape is. Most dice will be close enough that you won't notice the difference, practically. Check out this link:

https://www.awesomedice.com/blog/353/d20-dice-randomness-tes...

and skip down to the part headed "So Which Dice Are Better?" and you'll see that while the statistical variation in most popular dice companies' products is pretty high (even the ones marketed as being more accurate), when you translate that into "wrong" rolls, it's honestly not that big a deal to a gamer.

In addition, I suspect the Destiny dice will be less prone to common balance concerns such as those that affect pipped or etched dice, since their faces are uniformly printed, not drilled.

And ultimately, focus results and card effects that let you set die faces (or profit off less desireable faces, such as Power of the Dark Side) will offer you ways to ameliorate concerns that your particular die is cold.
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Brian Ciuppa

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Kaffis wrote:
Crikrunner wrote:
I don't think it even matters in X-wing where they are often unbalanced. Odds are they won't be perfectly symmetrical, most dice aren't unless they're casino grade d6's. Even if the die is unbalanced I've get to see one experiment proving that it matters when you role them. Sure one side floats up in water, but rolling on a table does that little bit even matter.

Unbalanced (weighted) dice do actually affect the roll on the table. If they didn't, you can be sure casinos wouldn't spend the money they do on the tight tolerances in their dice.

Now, how much they affect the roll on the table depends on how off-center their center of mass is, or how deformed their shape is. Most dice will be close enough that you won't notice the difference, practically. Check out this link:

https://www.awesomedice.com/blog/353/d20-dice-randomness-tes...

and skip down to the part headed "So Which Dice Are Better?" and you'll see that while the statistical variation in most popular dice companies' products is pretty high (even the ones marketed as being more accurate), when you translate that into "wrong" rolls, it's honestly not that big a deal to a gamer.

In addition, I suspect the Destiny dice will be less prone to common balance concerns such as those that affect pipped or etched dice, since their faces are uniformly printed, not drilled.

And ultimately, focus results and card effects that let you set die faces (or profit off less desireable faces, such as Power of the Dark Side) will offer you ways to ameliorate concerns that your particular die is cold.


Thanks. This is the kind of info I needed to care less about this issue.
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He's not talking about game balance, he's talking about physical balance. the dice are certainly not casino grade, but i don't think it's an issue.

Although down the line if the game becomes really competitive, maybe people will try to cheat using loaded dice?
 
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johncraven wrote:
He's not talking about game balance, he's talking about physical balance. the dice are certainly not casino grade, but i don't think it's an issue.

Although down the line if the game becomes really competitive, maybe people will try to cheat using loaded dice?

I feel like the printing process is unique enough that I think it'll be easy to spot forgeries. And I haven't seen any obvious seams or anything like that in the videos and marketing materials, so I think that any modifications to official dice should also be pretty obvious.
 
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Brian Ciuppa

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Kaffis wrote:
johncraven wrote:
He's not talking about game balance, he's talking about physical balance. the dice are certainly not casino grade, but i don't think it's an issue.

Although down the line if the game becomes really competitive, maybe people will try to cheat using loaded dice?

I feel like the printing process is unique enough that I think it'll be easy to spot forgeries. And I haven't seen any obvious seams or anything like that in the videos and marketing materials, so I think that any modifications to official dice should also be pretty obvious.


Here's a link to what I'm talking about.
https://youtu.be/VI3N4Qg-JZM
 
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