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Well that's all it took to get me back to this cold etheric camp-fire.

Thought I'd tell you how great Australia is.
Some of you might be thinking of moving here and I might be able to help you.

So say you start a small business in Australia and you employ a few of the locals. And it's all going well and then after a year one of your workers just stops turning up on Fridays and Mondays. No notice, no phone calls. You ask what is happening but just get told stories. And the absenteeism just continues.
Reckon you can fire them for this? Reckon you can discipline them for this? Reckon you can warn them for sub-standard performance for this?

Nup you can't. And if you try it's probably harrassment. To get rid of them you'll have to do something like offer them $20K to leave, or find and build up some other reason to fire them.

The quickest growing company in Australia (privately held -I've already checked) will charge you just $2.5K per year to run your HR and contract and fire. And they'll insurure you against being sued by a disgruntled employee.

So if you Trump fleeers can share your details - especially about what sort of business you plan to set up in Australia - then I can see what sort of work I'd most like to do for a 3 day week.
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Pinook wrote:
So say you start a small business in Australia and you employ a few of the locals. And it's all going well and then after a year one of your workers just stops turning up on Fridays and Mondays. No notice, no phone calls. You ask what is happening but just get told stories. And the absenteeism just continues.

Reckon you can fire them for this? Reckon you can discipline them for this? Reckon you can warn them for sub-standard performance for this?

Nup you can't. And if you try it's probably harrassment. To get rid of them you'll have to do something like offer them $20K to leave, or find and build up some other reason to fire them.


Oh . . . like government jobs.

https://fee.org/articles/in-government-nobody-quits-and-you-...

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/civil-servant-protection-system-...

http://www.govexec.com/magazine/briefing/2012/07/wielding-ax...

http://dailycaller.com/2016/03/03/heres-why-its-all-but-impo...
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Yes. Though for small business employees.

Are you going to flee Trump?
 
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Pinook wrote:
Yes. Though for small business employees.

Are you going to flee Trump?


No. I didn't flee Obama either.

Most Americans don't have the money available to allow then to just jet off to another country and live as ex-pats.

And then even with the non-stop attack on our constitutional rights over the last 8 years, we still recognize that we have more freedom here than in most developed countries.
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If you really are encouraging Americans to emigrate, I think your biggest worry will be an influx of CNN personalities.

I recommend keeping a close eye on them. Perhaps set up internment camps in advance.
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Drew1365 wrote:
Pinook wrote:
Yes. Though for small business employees.

Are you going to flee Trump?


No. I didn't flee Obama either.

Most Americans don't have the money available to allow then to just jet off to another country and live as ex-pats.

And then even with the non-stop attack on our constitutional rights over the last 8 years, we still recognize that we have more freedom here than in most developed countries.


Nobody will flee. The obvious havne for the butthurt liberals is Mexico, duh. It's cheap to live there. But the problem for the liberals is too many brown skins (which they like in principle but find deplorable to be around) and Mexico has some pretty serious (and fiercely applied) immigration laws. If our new president actually does deliver even a quarter of what he claims he will I'd hope that one of the things he does is make it easier to start a business here. It's already easier than in most countries but over the course of the last 3 presidents that has begun to tighten up.

Pinook, sorry to hear you guys down there are fucked. Perhaps New Zealand will have you?
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Drew1365 wrote:
And then even with the non-stop attack on our constitutional rights over the last 8 years, we still recognize that we have more freedom here than in most developed countries.


The US seems to be behind Australia in rankings provided by the Cato Institute, the Fraser Institute and the Economist Intelligence Unit.

But they are incorrigible Marxists, that is true.
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Pffttt..
You sack them before they have completed their qualifying period. 6 or 12 months depending on how big your business is. Then you pay them out one weeks "sorry you didn't make it" wage (two weeks if they are +45 years).

So easy..
 
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Pinook wrote:
And it's all going well and then after a year one of your workers just stops turning up on Fridays and Mondays. No notice, no phone calls. You ask what is happening but just get told stories. And the absenteeism just continues.
Reckon you can fire them for this? Reckon you can discipline them for this? Reckon you can warn them for sub-standard performance for this?


I fail to see the downside.
 
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Koldfoot wrote:
Pinook wrote:
And it's all going well and then after a year one of your workers just stops turning up on Fridays and Mondays. No notice, no phone calls. You ask what is happening but just get told stories. And the absenteeism just continues.
Reckon you can fire them for this? Reckon you can discipline them for this? Reckon you can warn them for sub-standard performance for this?


I fail to see the downside.
Take off your free-loadin hyper-subsidised Alaskan hat for a minute and put on your employee hat. The downsides here include not being paid for days off once your sick leave is used up. And then there is the loss of intangibles like being able to slack off at work while still getting paid. Or stealing stationary. As an employee this regime is very confronting.

 
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Andrew we have to have a beer. Are you still in Perth? We could probably find better things to talk about than "after a year".
 
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jeremycobert wrote:
I work in the gun industry, please tell me more.

Are your guns optimised for killing only the right enemy-type people?
If so contact http://www.aidn.org.au/ and ask about setting up a business using your technology in Australia.
If they are recreational guns you may still be able to export recreational M16 s to our neighbours.

Just because our city folk don't trust themselves or any Australian recreational shooter with guns that probably wouldn't get in the way of desirable export earnings.
 
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Pinook is back. All rejoice!

I KNEW rsp would get better after the elections.
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Pinook is back. All rejoice!

I KNEW rsp would get better after the elections.

Yes, I have no doubts that my presence will once again inspire considered and considerate dialog moving all involved to engage more fully with what life brings.

LOL
They really shouldn't have done that.
It's times like this that having a God who will guide the USA on the path of righteousness would be very re-assuring.
We've got a Radio National presenter, a former federal minister, who frequently repeats a mantra about respecting the elected representatives of democratic nations. Apparently because she thinks the electors knew what they were voting for. Fantastic epistemology. Though she doesn't see that it could apply to elected rep Jeremy Corben, who she lambasts.

I don't rember your presence the last time I looked in - have you too come to share the warmth of the RSP beacon-fire as you await the seemingly inevitable bad news?
 
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Pinook wrote:
I don't rember your presence the last time I looked in - have you too come to share the warmth of the RSP beacon-fire as you await the seemingly inevitable bad news?
I am always here, except when I don't feel like it, am to busy, am on holiday etc etc.

In any case I lurk more and more rather then post actively, primarily because of a lack of fun and interactive denizens such as yourself.
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I'm sure you have some awesome point, but all I thought when I read this is there is no fucking way I am moving to Australia with your giant monster bugs.

Hey, I'm sure it's a beautiful country with awesome people. Or not, who knows. But I'll never fucking find out because seriously, what the fuck is wrong with your insect population?
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galad2003 wrote:
I'm sure you have some awesome point, but all I thought when I read this is there is no fucking way I am moving to Australia with your giant monster bugs.

Hey, I'm sure it's a beautiful country with awesome people. Or not, who knows. But I'll never fucking find out because seriously, what the fuck is wrong with your insect population?


It's not just the bugs. Everything in Australia is venomous. Especially the drop bears.
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Meh. I've been there, and the worst that happended is some big fucking ant bit me and that hurt for an hour or so. Well, at least on the biting part. That obviously discounts swarms of flies trying to crawl up your nose and in your ears. And the mosquitos eating you alive at night.

So fair enough, I guess. Still an awesome place well worth visiting.
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wifwendell wrote:
galad2003 wrote:
I'm sure you have some awesome point, but all I thought when I read this is there is no fucking way I am moving to Australia with your giant monster bugs.

Hey, I'm sure it's a beautiful country with awesome people. Or not, who knows. But I'll never fucking find out because seriously, what the fuck is wrong with your insect population?


It's not just the bugs. Everything in Australia is venomous. Especially the drop bears.


But we have cool birds -

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Our spiders are cool too -

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