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I learned of this chess variant years ago but the other day I finally gave it a try. For those unfamiliar with this chess variant I suggest reading the Wikipedia entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_960

First, a little about myself and my opponent. I am an enthusiastic but mediocre amateur chess player. I have no official rating but if I were to estimate my rating I imagine it would be somewhere in the neighborhood of 1400 or 1600 based on my experience with the 10th Ed. Chess Master software. My opponent was a casual acquaintance who knew how to play chess but had clearly never studied the game seriously. He was at a loss as to what to do during the opening so I proposed that we try chess960; that way we would at least be in the same boat.

Our game was quick, casual and untimed but nevertheless lively. The randomized setup resulted in positions that analytically challenging. I highly engaged though I do not believe we were any more evenly matched than we would have been in a standard game of chess.

In chess960 it would seem that one is completely unable to rely on prior knowledge of opening lines. However, from my one experience it appeared to me that knowledge of the principles which underlie hypermodern chess openings would be invaluable to a player of chess960.

I would highly recommend this chess variant to anyone who would be interested in playing chess occasionally but is not interested in studying openings extensively. I would also recommend this variant to amateur chess players who are not particularly well versed in opening lines but are interested in casual play.

For the moment, chess960 is a game that has peaked my interest. I encourage anyone who knows how to play chess to try chess960; I found the experience very rewarding.
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I wish this chess variant would become the standard for playing chess in general. Memorizing openings was to me not a very enjoyable part of trying to improve my chess skills.
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Actualy, opening books for Fischer Random are being developed.
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I agree with Paul!
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auspal wrote:
I wish this chess variant would become the standard for playing chess in general. Memorizing openings was to me not a very enjoyable part of trying to improve my chess skills.


Be careful what you wish for. If 960 ever does become more popular than standard chess, opening memorization would not go away. It would be multiplied by 480 more or less.
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Be careful what you wish for. If 960 ever does become more popular than standard chess, opening memorization would not go away. It would be multiplied by 480 more or less.


So true ! Chess players can be amazing gluttons for punishment.

What Chess 960 does do: It injects some novelty into the ancient game, so if chess is feeling less than fresh for you, give this variant a try.

Personally, I don't think standard chess will ever feel tired for me, but then I'm no Kosteniuk (or Capablanca, who invented his own chess variant because he did think chess was tired).

Still, 960 is fun and forces you to think in new ways, especially in the opening and early middle game.
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UrchinStar47 wrote:
Actualy, opening books for Fischer Random are being developed.


BOO!

I quit chess after watching two guys in high school that always brought chess magazines/books to class and argued openings and moves all the time. I had crushed both of them in middle school at one point or another. I played them in high school and was completely undressed. I decided it wasn't worth the effort to keep up with the geekses.
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Be careful what you wish for. If 960 ever does become more popular than standard chess, opening memorization would not go away. It would be multiplied by 480 more or less.[/q]

In Shuuro this problem doesn't happen.

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Shuuro is hardly a good comparison as the game would be even worse for army building strategy (of course, actually its really dull because the best armies are the least interesting to play).

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Chess Masters don't think so.... Do you have ELO Points? How many?
 
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http://www.riverhorse.eu/shuuro-reviews.htm
http://www.riverhorse.eu/adolivio-capece-shuuro
 
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Opening memorization would completely disappear in Chess960.
You would have to remember moves in every one of the 960 positions which is impossible or you would do this for one particular position but there's only a 0.1% chance that it will appear in the actual game.

The only area where opening books will get multiplied by 960 is computer chess but that's not the case for humans.
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Sisyphus1563 wrote:
I learned of this chess variant years ago but the other day I finally gave it a try. For those unfamiliar with this chess variant I suggest reading the Wikipedia entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_960

First, a little about myself and my opponent. I am an enthusiastic but mediocre amateur chess player. I have no official rating but if I were to estimate my rating I imagine it would be somewhere in the neighborhood of 1400 or 1600 based on my experience with the 10th Ed. Chess Master software. My opponent was a casual acquaintance who knew how to play chess but had clearly never studied the game seriously. He was at a loss as to what to do during the opening so I proposed that we try chess960; that way we would at least be in the same boat.

Our game was quick, casual and untimed but nevertheless lively. The randomized setup resulted in positions that analytically challenging. I highly engaged though I do not believe we were any more evenly matched than we would have been in a standard game of chess.

In chess960 it would seem that one is completely unable to rely on prior knowledge of opening lines. However, from my one experience it appeared to me that knowledge of the principles which underlie hypermodern chess openings would be invaluable to a player of chess960.

I would highly recommend this chess variant to anyone who would be interested in playing chess occasionally but is not interested in studying openings extensively. I would also recommend this variant to amateur chess players who are not particularly well versed in opening lines but are interested in casual play.

For the moment, chess960 is a game that has peaked my interest. I encourage anyone who knows how to play chess to try chess960; I found the experience very rewarding.


Perhaps post the starting position and the game score?
 
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JVKhoury wrote:
UrchinStar47 wrote:
Actualy, opening books for Fischer Random are being developed.


BOO!

I quit chess after watching two guys in high school that always brought chess magazines/books to class and argued openings and moves all the time. I had crushed both of them in middle school at one point or another. I played them in high school and was completely undressed. I decided it wasn't worth the effort to keep up with the geekses.


FYI: Openings are the absolute last thing you should be studying, and hardly ever prior to reaching a rating of 2000 or so. It's just not worth the bang for the buck. Better time spent delving into strategic considerations, middlegame play, pawn structures, and endgame play. Leave opening theory for the masters...
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I think that Chess 960 only removes the time advantage that players who memorize openings may have. It DOES NOT, however, exempts players from learning and applying the PRINCIPLES OF CHESS OPENINGS (control of the center; quick development of the pieces; king safety; and the like) to each starting position.
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