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There have been many attempts at adding additional suits to a Stargate standard deck of playing cards.

I was just wondering what you considered were the best approaches and why.

Here are a few scenarios, but please feel free to add your own.

The fifth suit.

Adding a 5th suit can add additional options to single pack games either by increasing the number of possible hands or the number of players.

With one odd suit though, it dies mage does make sense to make it a bicolour suit to pair with both black and red.

6 suits
Adding an extra pair of suits can increase the options further still.

But do you add 1 red and 1 black?

Or 2 of a new colour?

8 suits

Now these are ideal for games that require 2 peaks packs of cards.

But again, do you stick with red and black or add 2 new colours?

The issue with 8 suits and 2 pack games is that some give bonus for matching pairs of the same suit. And some do not allow you to use 2 of the same suit in a bigger meld of otherwise identical value cards.

So, if your adding to the standard deck,

What are the best options?
 
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What's a Stargate deck?
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Antistone wrote:
What's a Stargate deck?

It's a beer drinking platform for
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I suspect that the OP means Stardeck.

As to the color of the suits, I prefer a different color for each. It makes them easier to distinguish. To each their own.
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This posting & discussion might be relevant:
https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/698433/game-design-ranking-...

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Maybe Dennis Bennett /
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can give some insight on the hows and whys of his design, The Badger Deck. This deck has 10 suits.
If I remember correctly he had several threads in the game design forum during the process of designing this deck of cards.
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Antistone wrote:
What's a Stargate deck?


I read it as an autocorrected "standard"
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howdyhamster wrote:
Antistone wrote:
What's a Stargate deck?


I read it as an autocorrected "standard"


Exactly that.

I was being harassed by my better half, and missed that.

Sorry.
 
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I'm not sure there's much to say about how to add suits, or how many to add, without specifying what kind of game(s) you want to play with the deck. Different decks enable different games.
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escribblings wrote:
Now these are ideal for games that require 2 peaks of cards.

"packs" of cards, right? (Or is "peak" some card game term I don't know?)
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Most 5+ suited decks I've seen use a different color for each suit. There are many in the database if you want to find out which colors are typically used for which suits.

If you're not designing a deck for a specific game, consider investigating the various "swiss army decks" that folks have developed in order to play a wide variety of games with a single deck.
 
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I am trying to design that elusive beast that you so eloquently call the "Swiss Army Deck".

I have to admit that I personally am not keen on some of the colours used in 4 colour standard decks.

The 4 colour deck was brought about for bridge as I understand it (to prevent people playing a spade when the leading suit was a club (or something like that - my actual knowledge of card games is pretty limited).

In 2 deck rummy games like Kalookie(sp), a melded set containing 2 of the same suit is classed as invalid.

This doesn't hold for all melding games, but that's where the issue sets in.

The odds will change if you provide 8 suits instead of doubling 4 suits.

The only way round this is to "pair" suits together, but that could lead to confusion.

I'm guessing that the best option would be to introduce pairs of suits in different colours.

That way you could pair the colours (say hearts and diamonds) in an 8 suit deck.

It's all food for thought.
 
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Well, for a a "swiss army deck", you essentially just include as much stuff as you can think of (and afford), and assume the players will remove the cards that aren't appropriate to the particular game that they're playing.
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escribblings wrote:
I am trying to design that elusive beast that you so eloquently call the "Swiss Army Deck".

If I have seen further, it is by standing on the shoulders of giants. Investigate the following, if you dare....

The Swiss Army Deck
The Frankendeck: Games You Can Play With a Modified Numbered Suit Deck
The Rainbow Deck | Games that can be played with Rainbow Deck
The Badger Deck | The Badger Rainbow Deck
Games you can play with the Badger Deck
Sticheln | Games that Can Be Played with a Sticheln Deck
Rage | Games playable with Rage deck
Glyph | Games playable with Glyph card system
One Deck | Games Playable with One Deck
Keltis | Games Playable with Keltis Card Decks
Decktet | Games in the Decktet Book | Decktet Games NOT in the Decktet Book
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Thank you...

I may throw out many of my ideas once depending on usability and aesthetics.

Heck, I may even create separate decks!

Thank you for the input though.
 
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I am familiar with 6 suited decks of cards that added "Crowns" and "Anchors" as additional Black/Red suits (respectively).
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I am familiar with 6 suited decks of cards that added "Stars"/"Crowns" and "Anchors". I believe they were colored blue.

(Stars vs Crowns was a US vs UK thing)



That makes sense.

I have also noted that Crown & Anchor Dice have also been known as Sun (Star?) and Anchor, and Flag and Anchor.

There was a 6 suit deck with Rackets and (Ship's) Wheels as a 6th blue suit.

Which leads me to look at various "groupings"

Anchors pair well with (Ship's) Wheels and Flags - I was thinking that either Life rings (Lifesavers) could make the 4th suit here, or for a more "historic" maritime link the 4th suit could be (ship's) bells.

On the more celestial theme you can have suns, moons and stars, but I'm puzzling over a 4th suit in this theme (maybe planets? with a ringed Saturn like picture)
 
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