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utoption2 wrote:
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His intellect is dizzying. Truly.

It is reasonable for people to change their positions on issues.


True. My comment about his intellect still stands.
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utoption2 wrote:
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His intellect is dizzying. Truly.

It is reasonable for people to change their positions on issues.


In response to new data or analysis, sure. In response to whether it currently benefits them or not, no.
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utoption2 wrote:
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His intellect is dizzying. Truly.

It is reasonable for people to change their positions on issues.


He must be the reasonablest man in the world.
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utoption2 wrote:
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His intellect is dizzying. Truly.

It is reasonable for people to change their positions on issues.


As long as those positions become more conservative.
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Yes and the election was rigged until he won. The polls were brilliant until he was behind and then they were rubbish.
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i could not believe it at first but slate apparently employs more than one writer and they are allowed to present different point of views
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i could not believe it at first but slate apparently employs more than one writer and they are allowed to present different point of views


Indeed. Also, last time I checked, none of them were running for president.
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utoption2 wrote:
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His intellect is dizzying. Truly.

It is reasonable for people to change their positions on issues.


It is reasonable to change your position on some issues. Not al of them.

He's changed on abortion, electoral college, gay marriage, immigration...

Note that these are all mainly philosophical/moral issues, based on very personal convictions.

It's one think to change your view in some domains with at least some degrees of supportive data (say, the economy) when you become aware of data you didn't know before. It's another to reset your moral compass on all of these issues.
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In a similarly ironic vein before the British referendum Farage suggested that a 52/48 vote for remaining in the EU would warrant a revote...however a 52/48 vote for leaving the EU he hailed as an unassailable mandate which represents the will of the people. One can of course find examples from different ends of the political spectrum though, some member states of the EU have had revotes for referendums when the 'wrong' result occured. The rhetoric of populists tends to lend itself to easy & ironic comparison however, especially as they tend to tenaciously represent their authority as being drawn in a direct channel to 'real' people and therefore as circumventing the norms of more orthodox parties.
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utoption2 wrote:
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His intellect is dizzying. Truly.

It is reasonable for people to change their positions on issues.


Look at the dates. What you mean to say is that its reasonable for someone to change their position, when it benefits them.

P.S. Do people really read slate? even as a left leaning person that site is trash.
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I think we found out what the conservablog meme of the week is. It's a shame there wasn't a way to blame Hillary somehow.
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He's changed on abortion, electoral college, gay marriage, immigration...

Note that these are all mainly philosophical/moral issues, based on very personal convictions.

It's one think to change your view in some domains with at least some degrees of supportive data (say, the economy) when you become aware of data you didn't know before. It's another to reset your moral compass on all of these issues.


Barack Obama (2012) Marriage is between one man and one woman.

Barack Obama (2015) Not so much.
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... It's a shame there wasn't a way to blame Hillary somehow.


Kaitlyn_Res wrote:
Sykurmoli wrote:
He's changed on abortion, electoral college, gay marriage, immigration...

Note that these are all mainly philosophical/moral issues, based on very personal convictions.

It's one think to change your view in some domains with at least some degrees of supportive data (say, the economy) when you become aware of data you didn't know before. It's another to reset your moral compass on all of these issues.


Barack Obama (2012) Marriage is between one man and one woman.

Barack Obama (2015) Not so much.


Never mind. Obama will do.
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batman wrote:
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I think we found out what the conservablog meme of the week is. It's a shame there wasn't a way to blame Hillary somehow.


Like others have said, different writers and different opinions. Trump contradicted himself when it benefited himself. It's like comparing apples and oranges.
 
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The bottom was when he was still affected with Obama Derangement Syndrome.

He's more better now.

The two pictures were deliberately reversed to make it seem like it said something he no longer believes.

You know, like Obama said marriage was between a man and a woman until after the second election.



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rinelk wrote:
utoption2 wrote:
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His intellect is dizzying. Truly.

It is reasonable for people to change their positions on issues.


In response to new data or analysis, sure. In response to whether it currently benefits them or not, no.


And you believe this wasn't exactly four years because...why, exactly?

Beyond your bigoted prejudices of course.


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Yes and the election was rigged until he won. The polls were brilliant until he was behind and then they were rubbish.


Fair amount of evidence it WAS rigged.

Then as her inadequacies became even more obvious even her spinning and cheating wasn't enough.


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Kaitlyn_Res wrote:
Sykurmoli wrote:
He's changed on abortion, electoral college, gay marriage, immigration...

Note that these are all mainly philosophical/moral issues, based on very personal convictions.

It's one think to change your view in some domains with at least some degrees of supportive data (say, the economy) when you become aware of data you didn't know before. It's another to reset your moral compass on all of these issues.


Barack Obama (2012) Marriage is between one man and one woman.

Barack Obama (2015) Not so much.


Did he also change his views on abortion, immigration, the electoral college, or other mainly moral issues? I he didn't, I'm afraid I don't see your point.

By the way, that stance "Marriage is between one man and a woman", is from 2008, not 2012. He was in favor of gay marriage in 2012.
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You know, like Obama said marriage was between a man and a woman until after the second election.

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Sorry, but wrong facts. Obama expressed support of same-sex marriage starting may 2012, which was before the election.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/09/obama-gay-marriage_...

(And again, that just changing position on one issue, not all of them)
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Ferretman wrote:
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The bottom was when he was still affected with Obama Derangement Syndrome.

He's more better now.

The two pictures were deliberately reversed to make it seem like it said something he no longer believes.

You know, like Obama said marriage was between a man and a woman until after the second election.



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You keep making this inane assertion. The context of Trump's 2012 tweet was that he was pissed off that Obama won the election when he thought Romney had more of the popular vote. Why are you failing miserably on the context of his tweets?

He registered as a Republican in 2009.
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rinelk wrote:
utoption2 wrote:
she2 wrote:
His intellect is dizzying. Truly.

It is reasonable for people to change their positions on issues.


In response to new data or analysis, sure. In response to whether it currently benefits them or not, no.


Not to be pedantic - why is it not a correct response to change your mind when you realise something benefits you? I know more than a few hard core republicans (blue collar self employed) that were totally against Obamacare. When it finally came out and they realised how it worked and how it benefited them they changed their mind about Obamacare. They still didnt vote for Hillary but that was because people arent one issue voters. Changing your mind when you realise something doenst work out as you thought it did makes perfect sense.

Not to be pedantic 2, strangely Trump's statements are not contradictory. The electoral college can be a disaster for democracy AND be a system of genius that brings smaller states into play. Where he is completely right is that it makes campaigning very different - many view Hillary's lack of strategy there as a cause for failure. That the system is genius and makes you campaign differently actually CONFIRMS that it is a fundamentally anti-democratic measure. There are many of those in all systems - need we mention the assignment of senators to the different states?

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