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Heidi S.
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As a Schotten Totten fan, I'd been curious if the new iello version will finally work with colorblind players.

My colorblind husband gave it a thumbs down when we saw a demo version.

First, like the original game, the yellow and green are impossible for him to tell apart. Ah, iello says. This version of Schotten Totten also has symbols! Unfortunately, the symbols are printed on the top and bottom center of the card instead of the corners, so when cards are fanned out in your hand, you can't see the symbols.

Yes, the cards can be held so the symbols could be seen; but there's a reason decks of cards have numbers in the corners. Nobody would buy a deck with numbers only in the centers because when we fan our decks in our hands we'd see nothing.

How awkward.

I was hoping this deck would work but my husband saw immediately how wrong this deck is for colorblind players. He lamented how colorblind people understandably don't become graphic design artists. And how graphic design artists don't understand what's needed for a game to be colorblind friendly.
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Thank you so much for your feedback! I'm sorry the game design isn't comfortable for your husband Moving the symbols to the corners should be an easy fix, so I've left a comment in our errata document to fix for future reprints of the game.
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daloester wrote:
Thank you so much for your feedback! I'm sorry the game design isn't comfortable for your husband Moving the symbols to the corners should be an easy fix, so I've left a comment in our errata document to fix for future reprints of the game.


My husband thanks you and wants you to know he appreciates that iello will be changing the game in the future for colorblind players. Many publishers wouldn't bother and it takes an extraordinary company to be responsive to this issue.

Thanks!
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yolandavi wrote:
daloester wrote:
Thank you so much for your feedback! I'm sorry the game design isn't comfortable for your husband Moving the symbols to the corners should be an easy fix, so I've left a comment in our errata document to fix for future reprints of the game.


My husband thanks you and wants you to know he appreciates that iello will be changing the game in the future for colorblind players. Many publishers wouldn't bother and it takes an extraordinary company to be responsive to this issue.

Thanks!


This doesn't affect me or any of my loved ones, however I wanted to jump in and say the same thing. I think it's pretty awesome of Iello.
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Certain games being configured for Colorblind players is often an overlooked and easy fix.

Seven7s is one that I have had, and love for that reason. Red7 claims the backsplash helps, but from our experience, it does not.
 
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daloester wrote:
Thank you so much for your feedback! I'm sorry the game design isn't comfortable for your husband Moving the symbols to the corners should be an easy fix, so I've left a comment in our errata document to fix for future reprints of the game.



I am optimistically assuming this means IELLO is committed to keeping this great game in print. If so, consider me an IELLO fan.
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daloester wrote:
Thank you so much for your feedback! I'm sorry the game design isn't comfortable for your husband Moving the symbols to the corners should be an easy fix, so I've left a comment in our errata document to fix for future reprints of the game.


Do you know if the change has been implemented yet? If not, any idea when it will be?

Thanks.
 
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Agent Chi wrote:
Do you know if the change has been implemented yet? If not, any idea when it will be?

We haven't launched a second print run yet, so I don't have an estimate on when it will hit shelves, sorry!
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daloester wrote:
We haven't launched a second print run yet, so I don't have an estimate on when it will hit shelves, sorry!


Thank you for the reply. If at all possible, whenever that second print run starts, please post about it on this forum.

Thanks again.
 
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Agent Chi wrote:
Thank you for the reply. If at all possible, whenever that second print run starts, please post about it on this forum.

Thanks again.

Will do!
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This version of Battle Line is colourblind-friendly:

https://boardgamegeek.com/article/24871664#24871664

Differences between Battle Line and Schotten-Totten:
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This is a rethemed version of Schotten Totten with different graphics and wooden flag bits in place of the boundary stone cards. Game play is identical, except the cards run from 1 to 10 (not 9), you hold seven cards in your hand (not 6), and the rule that stones may only be claimed at the start of your turn is presented as an "advanced variant". Also the tactics cards were introduced by Battle Line; these cards were only added to later editions of Schotten-Totten.
 
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We launched the reprint with the symbols moved to the corners! We're expecting it around the end of April.
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daloester wrote:
We launched the reprint with the symbols moved to the corners! We're expecting it around the end of April.


That's fantastic. I can't wait to get a copy this year. Thanks for making this fix!
 
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daloester wrote:
We launched the reprint with the symbols moved to the corners! We're expecting it around the end of April.


Fantastic! Great to hear.
 
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daloester wrote:
We launched the reprint with the symbols moved to the corners! We're expecting it around the end of April.


I just wanted to say (again) that I think it's really cool you guys made this change at all
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venrondua wrote:
I just wanted to say (again) that I think it's really cool you guys made this change at all

It's a no-brainer! We don't want playing to be a hassle for anyone. Plus, my boss is red-green colorblind, so if he has trouble playing IELLO games, there's a real problem, haha!
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daloester wrote:
We launched the reprint with the symbols moved to the corners! We're expecting it around the end of April.


Hi. Can you confirm if the reprint is out? Also, is there a way to tell if it's the reprint without opening the box?
 
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Yes, it is out and on shelves! If you look at the barcode, the Lot # should end have 2017 somewhere in it (I'm not at the office now, so I don't have the most recent edition with me atm to tell you exactly what the numbers are).
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