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Aaron Gosselin
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Could Fantasy Flight get anymore racist? Not one Black/Chinese/Japanese/Muslim/Indian investigator? Really? Sorry, I won't be buying this game. I refuse to support a racist game.
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Michael Duchesne
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The first expansion include a black Guy. I seriously hope you are joking however..
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I do sympathize that the core set is all white people. Jim Culver is in the first expansion. Unfortunately he's the only one announced. There are other people of color in the Arkham Files universe like Minh Thi Phan, Lily Chen and Akachi Onyele. It's not the most inclusive setting when it comes to race. At least gender-wise there is equal representation. That said FFG has a very good spread of characters in their Android universe so I don't think it's them being racist so much as them playing to the setting which is New England 100 years ago, which wasn't the most diverse place. It's easier to do that in New Angeles as a setting.
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AarontheGamer wrote:
Could Fantasy Flight get anymore racist? Not one Black/Chinese/Japanese/Muslim/Indian investigator? Really? Sorry, I won't be buying this game. I refuse to support a racist game.

Well, just don't look into HP Lovecraft's stance on race....

Given the characters that AH has supported in the past, I have no reservations that many of the above will be represented. Pretty diverse for the time period and the subject matter.
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I was just going to point out that the source material also wasn't all that progressive
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AarontheGamer wrote:
Could Fantasy Flight get anymore racist? Not one Black/Chinese/Japanese/Muslim/Indian investigator? Really? Sorry, I won't be buying this game. I refuse to support a racist game.


#AllSafeSpacesMatter
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As a minority also I do sympathize somewhat but you are nitpicking. There is an South Asian/Middle Eastern ally in Arkham Horror the board game, Dr. Ali Kafour.

I would like to see an Asian male investigator eventually though. I know we have Lily Chen and Minh Thi Phan already.
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Let's hope this doesn't start another Lovecraft racist thread.
As for the OP comments. Don't buy the game. Enjoy your protest.
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Coming from Netrunner, I have to say that the diversity in the product does not make me think FFG is a racist company at all. The variety comes not only from races, but sexual identity and morals. I like the fact that a runner works for the multinationals, that not all multinationals are bad and there is even a racist runner.

And in the expansion there is also Zoe Samaras, Greek immigrant in the US, so another minority there.

I really think we will not be disappointed.
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Just play the freaking game.....so annoying.
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FFG is not a "racist" company. It's a ridiculous accusation that boarders on trolling. If the OP is really 'offended' why not write to the CEO of FFG?
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kimeys wrote:
FFG is not a "racist" company. It's a ridiculous accusation that boarders on trolling. If the OP is really 'offended' why not write to the CEO of FFG?


I obviously did not mean that at all. I should put my foot where my keyboard is.
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AarontheGamer wrote:
Could Fantasy Flight get anymore racist? Not one Black/Chinese/Japanese/Muslim/Indian investigator? Really? Sorry, I won't be buying this game. I refuse to support a racist game.


Hey Aaron, I'm glad you care about these issues because they are an issue in gaming (and of course amplified by recent events). I'm with you on wanting inclusive gaming.

But I think you went a bit too far with your comment about FFG being racist, and I think they should get some credit actually, let me explain.

First (as was mentioned above) Lovecraft himself was racist. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't read his work. You can appreciate the art and despise the artist. (One of my favorite authors, Dostoevsky, had very questionable views at best, but his novels are amazing.) I think FFG has pretty well scrubbed Lovecraft of the racism but kept the human psychology of the source material (which transcends race).

Second, the setting is 1920's new england, so pretty white. Eventually the stories branch out to a world stage, where FFG has more latitude to increase inclusivity. So give FFG a bit of a break on trying to deal with source material that is both amazing AND somewhat problematic. By comparison, Lord of the Rings is VERY white because of what Tolkien was doing (creating a fictional group of legends similar to Beowulf etc.). So throwing in a lot of racial diversity would clash with the source material (for better or worse). I'm not saying they *shouldn't* add minorities in order to be faithful to the material, I'm just saying that there is an artistic line they need to walk to make the universe feel authentic.

Last, FFG should get a lot of credit for their depiction of women. The women in the Arkham universe (although mostly white) are depicted like real people and not in an exploitative way (see Conan... where women are simply sex objects, or Istanbul where, apparently, women don't exist). They have done a great job including women in Lord of the Rings the card game.




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It's disappointing that there aren't any main investigators of color in the core set, though it's great they're coming in the expansion. We can point that out while still enjoying the product.

Also, the settings may be 1920's New England but it's a fantasy 1920's england full of werewolves, ghouls, monsters, and literal magic spells. Historical accuracy doesn't hold much weight there...

On the whole though, FFG is very good about diversity (see: Netrunner) and I don't expect the disparity to last long. There are many Arkham investigators that we'll be getting soon. Yes, it'd be great if there were more in the core set (besides the presumably Native American woman asset) but I wouldn't go so far as to call the company or game racist.
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captainraffi wrote:
It's disappointing that there aren't any main investigators of color in the core set, though it's great they're coming in the expansion. We can point that out while still enjoying the product.


I don't think that's why people are annoyed. It's the labeling an entire company as "racist" due to the core set not having any "people of color".
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It's a new profile, he seems to imply "Muslim" is a race, and the post is brief, utterly belligerent, and the op never returned. At best he is a troll. At worst he is trying to give people who make these criticisms in other contexts bad names. Everyone, move along.
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Actually, H.P. Lovecraft was quite racist. It would be thematically appropriate.
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These crazy BGG NEWUSERs... amirite? Coming on here like, "I own one game and I'm so opinionated."

Shmeh, come back to the big kids table when your collection reaches double digits ;)
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I would ordinarily agree with the OP. In fact I do, at least with the letter of what he's saying.

But there's something fishy about the new user account, the fact that he has no substantive argument, and that he hasn't been back to defend his argument.

If he's not a cheeto-eating, alt-right zit-farmer setting up a false flag to piss people off, I'll eat my hat*. He can come back and recount his ongoing struggle to defend the rights of people of color (which are currently, actually, under attack by Cthulhu) if he wants to.





*I'm not actually going to eat my hat.
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Regardless of whether the OP is a "troll" or not. There is a discussion to be had that many feel is important.

It is wrong for those on the right to say liberals are all being too sensitive for pointing out some of these issues like some of the comments above imply. Liberals have an argument to make that centers around justice.

It is wrong for those on the left to say conservatives are a bunch of hate filled racists as some comments imply. Conservatives have an argument to make that centers around liberty.

Lets talk. Calm the flame war. People are not 2-dimensional.
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captainraffi wrote:

Also, the settings may be 1920's New England but it's a fantasy 1920's england full of werewolves, ghouls, monsters, and literal magic spells. Historical accuracy doesn't hold much weight there...


Fair point indeed. But I don't think the white people are there for only historical accuracy. A big part of the theme in Lovecraft is that these horrors come out of nowhere amid a very realistic, quaint, banal, reality. The horrors are contrasted by the real in a very intentional way. As if I could walk my dog in the park this evening and unintentionally open some gate to the other world behind some tree that I have passed by hundreds of times. So setting the game in 1920's small town Arkham initially means that, if you want to enhance the realism part, you are likely going to have more (all?) white people in the story. If you tried to do the same psychological theme set in China, all of the characters would likely be Chinese living a very ordinary life in a small Chinese town. As the story turns more global (Mountains of Madness for example) then incorporating more diversity feels easier to pull off even if it wasn't there in Lovecraft.

I'm just saying there are artistic choices here that are separate from historical accuracy.
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anaturalharmonic wrote:
By comparison, Lord of the Rings is VERY white because of what Tolkien was doing (creating a fictional group of legends similar to Beowulf etc.). So throwing in a lot of racial diversity would clash with the source material (for better or worse).

Odd take when you consider how many different races are represented (hobbits, elves, ents, dwarves, goblins, trolls, etc.). The millieu is clearly an extension of European myth, but I don't see anything amiss there.

I wouldn't criticize stories based on Chinese folklore for failure to include non-Asians, nor a game based on Native American folklore for failure to include other races. I am sensitive to racism - my own family is multiracial - but one has to keep things in perspective.
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Is theme or being politically correct more important in a game?

If a game rubs you the wrong way do not buy it. But I really hope that when designing a game the designers are not forced into doing a checklist.

1) Is there an equal number of male and female characters?
2) Is there one character of every age group?
3) Is there a character of every nationality?
4) Are there any elements of the game that might "trigger" a community?

If a designer wanted to do the above, then great and there are games that benefit from this kind of thinking. I love fighting games and these are the best kind for representing a lot of different ideas and people. Personally in board games I want theme first.
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I sure hope this OP isn't that serious? Don't get me started on politically correctness. Just because a game does not have other various ethnicities does not make a company "racist". So tired of everyone throwing that word around lately. We definitely don't need that kind of crap in a board game forum. #rantover
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