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I'm kind of surprised that this isn't being discussed here. On May 21, 2016, the Trump campaign posted this campaign promise:

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/media/why-donald-trump-wont-tou...

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Why Donald Trump Won’t Touch Your Entitlements

Donald Trump says if he runs for president he’ll make sure entitlement programs aren’t touched.

“I’m not going to cut Social Security like every other Republican and I’m not going to cut Medicare or Medicaid,” Trump told The Daily Signal. “Every other Republican is going to cut, and even if they wouldn’t, they don’t know what to do because they don’t know where the money is. I do.”


Well, it turns out his transition team says he's going to, although he has not decided on how he would go about it.

Paul Ryan's plan would include vouchers to buy private insurance, but it would flip the 70% reimbursement of costs of premium to 30% reimbursement.

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In effect, the government would give seniors a fixed amount of money to buy insurance. They could buy either traditional Medicare or Medicare Advantage managed care, though government payments for those in traditional Medicare would be capped. The government’s initial contribution would be tied to premiums of private Medicare plans in an enrollee’s community.

It would increase each year based on an index, say the country’s overall growth rate plus 1 percent. But it would not track medical inflation. As a result, if health costs grow faster than the index, the government contribution would gradually cover a smaller share of the costs, and seniors would pay a larger share. In an earlier version proposed by Ryan, the division of costs would flip from what it is today–seniors would eventually pay 70 percent of the cost and the government would pay about 30 percent. The current Ryan plan would exempt current retirees.


This is probably the quickest complete reversal on a campaign promise in history. I'm completely unsurprised as Trump has always been an invertebrate liar. This lie is particularly unsurprising because it likely would have effected who voted for him.

If Obamacare had its issues due to insurance companies raising premiums due to an influx of people with preexisting conditions and losses suffered in markets like in Arizona, then I can only imagine what the private insurance market will look like with an over 67 population that will likely have a huge number of people with preexisting conditions. Trump still hasn't clarified how he's dealing with preexisting conditions after the inevitable repeal of Obamacare. I cannot imagine how he plans to deal with the retired population. It's simply not profitable for private insurance companies. So what's really different here?* Isn't it going to have the same exact issues?

*Is it simply that Trumpcare will be great because it's not Obamacare?
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30% even 70% reimbursements is essentially cancelling medicare for the bottom three quintiles of retirement income.

Given that old people are a huge part of the republican base, this would seem to be a really dumb move on for republicans.

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Given that old people are a huge part of the republican base, this would seem to be a really dumb move on for republicans.


I sure hope so... Republicans control all branches of government so it will be particularly difficult to spin the narrative to deflect blame when shit hits the fan for the working class. Not that they won't try...
 
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Government Welfare programs Hell no thats socialism ! We want tax cuts , small government but dont touch my medicare.

Tough they are getting what they asked for!
 
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Government Welfare programs Hell no thats socialism ! We want tax cuts , small government but dont touch my medicare.

Tough they are getting what they asked for!


There wasn't really a whole lot of "anti-socialism" talk this election cycle. Trump's message was more "government corruption / perversion is preventing it from doing things that will actually help you economically". That's quite different from the typical Conservative spiel which is "government corruption / perversion is preventing it from not doing anything at all", which is their preferred state.

My problem with Trump is that he promised people they could have their cake and eat it, too, and of course they lapped it up. Trillion dollar tax cut + a trillion dollars in new infrastructure spending. Sorry, there's just not 2 trillion dollars of fat in the federal government that anybody's going to agree on, so he can't keep these promises without making our kids foot the bill.
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Trump has always been an invertebrate liar.

If this superb typo cannot summon Cranky from his slumber, then I fear for the efficacy of the RSP summoning system.

What do you think, Slater?
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I suspect that the Repuds will discover why the Dems got nothing much done in 2009 when they had a supposedly filibuster proof Senate, the House and Pres.

All the Dems will need is 1 or 2 Repud Senators to jump ship to save their own skins.

Old people love Medicare and talk about changing it will flood Congress with irate messages.

So, it will not pass. I just hope that the Dems can drag it out for many months to get long term news coverage of the fight to make people remember it in 2 years.

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Greldin wrote:
she2 wrote:
Trump has always been an invertebrate liar.

If this superb typo cannot summon Cranky from his slumber, then I fear for the efficacy of the RSP summoning system.

What do you think, Slater?
I think Trump is a spineless liar too.

But then I always said he was one. This does not surprise me in the least, nor does the silence from the nevertrumpers.

I think it does show that compared to him Clinton is a model of propriety. This is going to get a lot worse, I predict he is going to be the biggest liar to ever hold office. I also think that every lie and u-turn is going to be ignored by those who supported him, lest they have to admit that they did not ever get a cat, just a bag inflated with hot air.

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It was easy to be a repub never Trumper when they didnt think he would win and being out of the inner circle wasnt seen to be deadly. Now he is the winner and have all the power? Well principles are an expensive luxury and morals are flexible.
 
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I'm kind of surprised that this isn't being discussed here.

The end of medicare is simply too damned depressing to talk about...
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First this, and then the FEMA death camps that Obama was never able to institute. shake
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Elfbane wrote:
she2 wrote:
I'm kind of surprised that this isn't being discussed here.

The end of medicare is simply too damned depressing to talk about...


Not a single one of his followers has showed up to talk about it. River in Egypt and all that.
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Well I will comment on this when something actually happens, such as Trump actually being sworn in as President. Until then, this get filed under more liberal hysteria.
 
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galad2003 wrote:
Well I will comment on this when something actually happens, such as Trump actually being sworn in as President. Until then, this get filed under more liberal hysteria.


Haha, sure. It came from his transition team. It's just us making it up.

https://www.greatagain.gov/policy/healthcare.html

•Modernize Medicare, so that it will be ready for the challenges with the coming retirement of the Baby Boom generation – and beyond

It's liberal hysteria! Remember to chant nanananananana, I can't hear you when covering your ears.

More seriously, Paul Ryan has been talking about it through the entire election season so you know Republicans are ready to go with this. And it's always been nearer in terms of becoming a financial crisis than Social Security. I don't know why you'd be so dismissive.


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maxo-texas wrote:
30% even 70% reimbursements is essentially cancelling medicare for the bottom three quintiles of retirement income.

Given that old people are a huge part of the republican base, this would seem to be a really dumb move on for republicans.



From what I've read, it looks like they've backed off from that. Instead, the reimbursement won't track medical inflation, so it's a big black box of uncertainty. If medical inflation goes up more rapidly than the index then obviously the vouchers will fall increasingly short of covering costs for seniors.
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she2 wrote:
Elfbane wrote:
she2 wrote:
I'm kind of surprised that this isn't being discussed here.

The end of medicare is simply too damned depressing to talk about...


Not a single one of his followers has showed up to talk about it. River in Egypt and all that.
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It's fun that all the right wants to talk about is Yay, we won! Yay! Also you made us do it by calling us names, liberals! Our candidate is not racist! It's you liberals that are racist by supporting BLM because someone chanted fry pigs in a blanket at a rally! Also remember that Reverend Wright guy? Obama is the real racist! And then there's Hillary, don't get us going on her! She called blacks super predators! Stop calling Trump's appointees racist! Remember Obama's attorney general?! Now THAT'S racism!
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Privatizing Medicare is a terrible idea. We know this plan is coming over from Paul Ryan because he's been pitching it for years. That said, I'd wait a while and see what actually happens. A week ago, everyone was complaining that the Trump transition team was full of lobbyists, and then Trump pushed Christie and a lot of his lobbyists aside. There's a reason they call it the transition team rather than the administration-in-waiting.

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she2 wrote:
maxo-texas wrote:
30% even 70% reimbursements is essentially cancelling medicare for the bottom three quintiles of retirement income.

Given that old people are a huge part of the republican base, this would seem to be a really dumb move on for republicans.



From what I've read, it looks like they've backed off from that. Instead, the reimbursement won't track medical inflation, so it's a big black box of uncertainty. If medical inflation goes up more rapidly than the index then obviously the vouchers will fall increasingly short of covering costs for seniors.


Since inflation in the healthcare sector outpaces general inflation each and every year, that's a safe bet.
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