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Subject: Polania’s Anna & Wojtek - UNBALANCED??? rss

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Andy Norton
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Hey all, so I’ve been enjoying Scythe, but one thing about the balance has really been throwing me off. Specifically, I’m talking about Polania’s Anna & Wojtek.

Has anyone else noticed that A&W are so unbalanced??? I mean, look at Encounters 1-28 from the base set. Of those 28, here’s the breakdown of Encounters featuring the different characters:

Zehra & Kar = one (20)
Gunter & Nacht & Tag = two (22, 24)
Bjorn & Mox = three (7, 8, 10)
Olga & Changa = five (9, 14, 17, 18, 25)
Anna & Wojtek = SEVEN (1, 4, 5, 6, 12, 16, 27)

Seven times? WHAT? I mean, Anna & Wojtek are my favorites, too, but SEVEN times.

Well, of course, expansions should fix this balance issue right? EEEEEE, NOPE, wrong. I got the 29-32 and 33-36 Encounter packs, and check it out:

The dude with the warthog = one (34)
The lady with the monkey = one (33)
Anna & Wojtek = THREE MORE (30, 32, 35)

That means Anna & Wojtek are featured a grand total of TEN (10) times in these Encounters. The other original people aren’t even featured in these two expansion packs.

I guess my question is, will this balance issue be addressed? Will Jamey and Jakub at least apologize? I’m wondering whether it’s even worth keeping the game at this point.

I await the reckoning for this unbalance. In the meantime, I’ll keep you posted on my own “Balanced Art” variant that I’m working on; I’m sure it will be of interest to many.

(P.S. Maybe Kar should have been Zehra's horse and Mox should have been an Arctic fox/rabbit or something and maybe Jakub would have enjoyed drawing them more. Likewise, maybe one of the men should have been a clean-shaven 20-something instead of burly old bearded guys who look like hell. More ideas for variants, I suppose.)
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Morten Monrad Pedersen
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As a Dane I demand equal representation for Bjorn and Mox or I'll go on strike. You hear me, Jamey? I'll go on strike! Strike I say.

And don't get me started on this blantant example of specieism.
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Lines J. Hutter
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Soon in store:
Paste-up stickers for the cards that replace A&W with other characters of your choice. gulp
Those characters are the ones known from the base game, the expansion or, on demand, your favorite characters from the Peanuts TV series, Marvel Superheroes or Star Treck.
All with and equal distribution of course!
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Lyle Chipperson
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KingOfRohan wrote:


The lady with the monkey = one (33)


Did you just assumed Akiko's gender ?

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Klaus Kristiansen
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I find Anna & Wojtek to be excelently balanced. The miniature has never yet fallen over.
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dgenclass wrote:
KingOfRohan wrote:


The lady with the monkey = one (33)


Did you just assumed Akiko's gender ?



Akiko & Jiro (Togawa Shogunate): From an early age, Akiko, the niece of the shogun, read stories of warriors and adventurers in faraway lands. She was especially fascinated by the beauty and art of sword fighting. When she turned 16, Akiko begged her uncle to let her train at the most elite samurai war academy, and he agreed. She was a model student, practicing constantly until she excelled at fighting, shooting, strategy, and tactics. Bursting with pride, the shogun gave Akiko a special trained monkey named Jiro.

As Akiko was entering her second year of training, her brother, a prominent engineer, went missing during a mission to the mysterious Factory in Eastern Europa. The shogun’s advisors suspected that he had been captured by agents of the Rusviet Union. Trusting in his niece’s skills as a samurai, the shogun has empowered Akiko to lead a large military expedition to subvert the Rusviets, recover the Togawa engineers, and discover the truth of the Factory.
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Jeffrey Day
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More Olga and the kitty.
 
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Lyle Chipperson
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Aw man I can't joke without getting pwnd by text in the manual which is literally 1 step away from me blush
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Jamey Stegmaier
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"I guess my question is, will this balance issue be addressed? Will Jamey and Jakub at least apologize? I’m wondering whether it’s even worth keeping the game at this point."

Andy: I can't tell if you're joking or not, but in case you're not, throughout the process of illustrating Scythe, I noticed that Jakub tended to prefer Anna and Wojtek as his subjects of choice on the encounter cards. The tendency is understandable--his 1920+ world started out as just being about Polania and Rusviet, and he's Polish, so it's natural that he spent more time on Anna/Wojtek than the others.

But to his credit, when I urged him to include the other characters in the illustrations, and he did.

Also, you might be missing a few illustrations. For example, I'm positive that Zehra and Kar are in at least three illustrations (scene on the beach [15], scene with a treehouse [20], and scene at a festival [13]). They're not prominently featured in a few of those illustrations, but they're there.
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Andy Norton
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Yeah, I'm absolutely joking. Thank you all for creating a wonderful game. The attention to detail is truly phenomenal.

Thanks in particular to Morten for the Automa: like him, I'm a dad and many of my friends are dads, so solo gaming is where it's at, fitting in an hour after my daughter's in bed. And a very deep thank you to Jakub for art that makes me wonder and imagine like a kid again. But thank you, Jamey, for making it all happen.
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I find it coherent.
Anna and Wojtek are wanderers by nature (Meander ability), so it stands to reason that they are seen around the countryside more often than the others. laugh
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Chris Laudermilk
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Well played, sir. I read the clickbait title...shake "oh here we go again..." Then I read the actual post... laugh

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jameystegmaier wrote:
Andy: I can't tell if you're joking or not, ...


Sheldon?


Actually, I think there is a pretty good explanation for having Anna & Wojtek feature so prominently on the encounter cards. They are the beloved of the people! They have a special ability (two actually, if you include one of the mech specials), which ties directly into this.

So, the people like to be depicted with them more than with the others.

Bye
Thanee
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Mike Wagner
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claudermilk wrote:
Well played, sir. I read the clickbait title...shake "oh here we go again..." Then I read the actual post... laugh



My thoughts exactly - I got a good chuckle out of this! Thanks!

Mike
 
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