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Roland B.
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Relied on for Any Enterprise - Prepared UK Cards are now considered to have 1 Black Attrition Symbol, but not in addition to any other Attrition Symbols already present.

The Royal Navy - Should read; Play a UK Status Card…

Cambrai - Should read: "Play a United Kingdom Status Card" and "Land Battle in or adjacent to Picardy".


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Mustard Gas - Should read; Your choice of one of the powers in the space...

Stosstruppen - Should read: Discard a prepared sustain land battle card and battle a land space adjacent to the army just built.
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Re: Compiled Card Corrections
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Cambrai - Should read: "Play a United Kingdom Status Card" and "Land Battle in or adjacent to Picardy".
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Re: Compiled Card Corrections
Since we're being very precise with the definition, I would suggest the following amendment:


Relied on for Any Enterprise - Prepared UK Cards are now considered to have 1 Black Attrition Symbol, but not in addition to any other Attrition Symbols already present.
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Re: Compiled Card Corrections
added and altered as suggested!
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It would be great if one of you talented people could create a pdf of the cards with these corrections. Suitable for taping over the original.
 
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Re: Compiled Card Corrections
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Stosstruppen - Use once per turn after you build an Army. Discard a prepared Sustain Land Battle and battle a Land space adjacent to the Army just built.
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Gosh. I haven't got the original yet to compare to, but I don't recall this many errata is previous iterations. (In fact, I'm not sure I recall any errata. Were there?)
 
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MrMT wrote:
Gosh. I haven't got the original yet to compare to, but I don't recall this many errata is previous iterations. (In fact, I'm not sure I recall any errata. Were there?)


Yes, there were.

German-Soviet Treaty of Friendship, Magic, Bias for Action, arguably Rationing, and several others (for minor aspects).
And two cards (Flexible Resources and Vasilevsky) were re-written outright for balancing reasons in a subsequent expansion.

Admittedly, we're being very nit-picky in this thread - but you know, there's always going to be a rules lawyer at every table
 
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Witch Lord wrote:
MrMT wrote:
Gosh. I haven't got the original yet to compare to, but I don't recall this many errata is previous iterations. (In fact, I'm not sure I recall any errata. Were there?)


Yes, there were.

German-Soviet Treaty of Friendship, Magic, Bias for Action, arguably Rationing, and several others (for minor aspects).
And two cards (Flexible Resources and Vasilevsky) were re-written outright for balancing reasons in a subsequent expansion.

Admittedly, we're being very nit-picky in this thread - but you know, there's always going to be a rules lawyer at every table :p


gosh. I never checked them out... maybe I should go back and see if we'd been playing them wrong.
 
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MrMT wrote:
gosh. I never checked them out... maybe I should go back and see if we'd been playing them wrong.


You can find the latest version of the FAQ here:

https://boardgamegeek.com/filepage/134076/quartermaster-gene...
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MrMT wrote:
Gosh. I haven't got the original yet to compare to, but I don't recall this many errata is previous iterations. (In fact, I'm not sure I recall any errata. Were there?)


Not to get all defensive, but...

Actually, of the "corrections" only one is a real correction. the others are clarifications, since most people would read them as intended. If someone insisted on using Stosstrupen to battle a Sea space, I would immediately resign, and not play with that person again. Having said that, I realize there are players who have no idea what Stosstrupen were.

The only real change is the Cambrai card can be played either way. The Cambrai card was one of the last written and added into the set, and looking over my notes, I realize that it just slipped through as written. But the only reason to "correct" the card is for historical reasons.
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IanBrody wrote:
Not to get all defensive, but...

Actually, of the "corrections" only one is a real correction. the others are clarifications, since most people would read them as intended. If someone insisted on using Stosstrupen to battle a Sea space, I would immediately resign, and not play with that person again. Having said that, I realize there are players who have no idea what Stosstrupen were.

The only real change is the Cambrai card can be played either way. The Cambrai card was one of the last written and added into the set, and looking over my notes, I realize that it just slipped through as written. But the only reason to "correct" the card is for historical reasons.


I agree, most of these points can be seen as nit-picks.

I think that the fact of the matter is that QMG games appeal in equal measure to two very different kinds of gamers - those who enjoy primarily the immersion and the historical flavor (let's call them the "roleplayers"), but also to those who enjoy mastering the strategic, you could even say the mathematical, elements of gameplay (let's call them the "powergamers"). I've got friends in both camps and I enjoy playing with all of them - but to the powergamers, discussing even these nit-picks is highly crucial.

Wolvercote, may I respectfully suggest we amend the title of this discussion to "Compiled Card Clarifications and Corrections" please? Thank you thumbsup

P.S. And lest I forget, a big thank you to Ian again for his patience in answering all of our questions. You don't find many game developers who take the time to interact with the fans the way he does. I think we should let him know once again that it is very, very appreciated.
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IanBrody wrote:
MrMT wrote:
Gosh. I haven't got the original yet to compare to, but I don't recall this many errata is previous iterations. (In fact, I'm not sure I recall any errata. Were there?)


Not to get all defensive, but...

Actually, of the "corrections" only one is a real correction. the others are clarifications, since most people would read them as intended. If someone insisted on using Stosstrupen to battle a Sea space, I would immediately resign, and not play with that person again. Having said that, I realize there are players who have no idea what Stosstrupen were.

The only real change is the Cambrai card can be played either way. The Cambrai card was one of the last written and added into the set, and looking over my notes, I realize that it just slipped through as written. But the only reason to "correct" the card is for historical reasons.


Good news.

So basically, the game is fine to play without errata?
 
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MrMT wrote:
So basically, the game is fine to play without errata?


If you use common sense, then mostly yes. If you're still unsure or you're dealing with a rules lawyer, you can refer them to this thread for reference.
 
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MrMT wrote:
IanBrody wrote:
MrMT wrote:
Gosh. I haven't got the original yet to compare to, but I don't recall this many errata is previous iterations. (In fact, I'm not sure I recall any errata. Were there?)


Not to get all defensive, but...

Actually, of the "corrections" only one is a real correction. the others are clarifications, since most people would read them as intended. If someone insisted on using Stosstrupen to battle a Sea space, I would immediately resign, and not play with that person again. Having said that, I realize there are players who have no idea what Stosstrupen were.

The only real change is the Cambrai card can be played either way. The Cambrai card was one of the last written and added into the set, and looking over my notes, I realize that it just slipped through as written. But the only reason to "correct" the card is for historical reasons.


Good news.

So basically, the game is fine to play without errata?


I think so. Again, the Cambrai card is the one card that is really incorrect, and frankly, it just doesn't matter that much. It was playtested as written, but with a few months in hindsight, I feel like the historian in me wants to change it.

But I think something that is easy to understand is that "fixing the set" of card included in a game isn't a precise process. There are always more card ideas and revisions that don't make it into the final version, and sometimes I like an idea and change my mind later, so it's tricky. I'll put together an official FAQ in a few weeks when more people have had time to figure out unanticipated ways to play cards....
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IanBrody wrote:
MrMT wrote:
Gosh. I haven't got the original yet to compare to, but I don't recall this many errata is previous iterations. (In fact, I'm not sure I recall any errata. Were there?)


Not to get all defensive, but...

Actually, of the "corrections" only one is a real correction. the others are clarifications, since most people would read them as intended. If someone insisted on using Stosstrupen to battle a Sea space, I would immediately resign, and not play with that person again.
(Emphasis mine)

This is a particularly odd comment considering that, in QMG, attacking a sea space requires a sea battle and an adjacent army or navy.

It's the fact that you are discarding a land battle card that suggests a land battle, not that the troops are Strosstrupen.
 
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Postmark wrote:
This is a particularly odd comment considering that, in QMG, attacking a sea space requires a sea battle and an adjacent army or navy.

It's the fact that you are discarding a land battle card that suggests a land battle, not that the troops are Strosstrupen.


I think what Ian means is that, historically, Stosstruppen were formed with the purpose of storming trenches, not as a marine corps. So he wants the card's mechanics to reflect its historical flavor.
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