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Another great speech by Trey Gowdy. Especially powerful is the section where he speaks about persuading others:



 
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Things I know to be universally true.

1. Every one is an idiot at some point - some people more often than others. *

2. Most of what you believe to be true is in fact wrong.

3. Most people believe they are good drivers and they are wrong.



* except for me when I am doing my day job as I am the pope , however see rule 2.
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No idea who this guy is, I'm guessing yet another megapastor. But that pic frozen on youtube makes him look like someone at a MtG tournament who thinks he's a lot better at Magic than he really is.
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I believe in not wasting time watching videos that start with arbitrary non-sourced %'s of americans who believe the country is going in the wrong direction. Also videos that start with false dichotomies.

The reason I believe this: it's a policy that really saves a lot of time that could otherwise be wasted. (good time that I could spend wasting on RSP message boards.)
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I'll add one more point to Trey's list:

Even after you've done everything to convince people of the Truth - you've loved them, sacrificed for them, laid out credible, convincing arguments...

they still might not believe you.
 
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No idea who this guy is, I'm guessing yet another megapastor. But that pic frozen on youtube makes him look like someone at a MtG tournament who thinks he's a lot better at Magic than he really is.


Really? Do you use the internet much? Visit RSP? Go online and read anything political? because this guy has been everywhere for the last year or two. I question the notion you have no idea who he is. The upside for me is I don't listen to 25 minute commencement speeches, ever. Gowdy is the guy with the worst hair in politics - or was, before Trump was elected. He was a kick-ass prosecutor and from what I understand a public servant more inclined to serve the public than to view them as a resource to feather his own after politics nest.

I like his delivery when the sound bites are taken in small pieces, like 2 or 3 minutes. No matter how much I might agree with a politician -- and I like this one a bit -- I still don't like listening to them or being lectured to by them. I used to think a guy who looks like he sliced a piece of Sliverback Gorilla fur off an actual gorilla and then stapled it to his head will never achieve a prominent office, especially something as lofty as president. But then, Trump.
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DWTripp wrote:
GameCrossing wrote:
No idea who this guy is, I'm guessing yet another megapastor. But that pic frozen on youtube makes him look like someone at a MtG tournament who thinks he's a lot better at Magic than he really is.


Really? Do you use the internet much? Visit RSP? Go online and read anything political? because this guy has been everywhere for the last year or two. I question the notion you have no idea who he is. The upside for me is I don't listen to 25 minute commencement speeches, ever. Gowdy is the guy with the worst hair in politics - or was, before Trump was elected. He was a kick-ass prosecutor and from what I understand a public servant more inclined to serve the public than to view them as a resource to feather his own after politics nest.

I like his delivery when the sound bites are taken in small pieces, like 2 or 3 minutes. No matter how much I might agree with a politician -- and I like this one a bit -- I still don't like listening to them or being lectured to by them. I used to think a guy who looks like he sliced a piece of Sliverback Gorilla fur off an actual gorilla and then stapled it to his head will never achieve a prominent office, especially something as lofty as president. But then, Trump.


I also didn't know what the Southern Poverty Law Center was until about a year ago and that was met with just as much incredulity. Chalk it up to there being so many sources of things that become so much noise. Googled him, and now the next time his name is referenced, I'll know who he is. He is now separate and distinct in my mind from the numberless other sources of things which... just are.

But I would like to correct my previous assertion. He looks like the economic advisor from Civ 2.

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GameCrossing wrote:
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GameCrossing wrote:
No idea who this guy is, I'm guessing yet another megapastor. But that pic frozen on youtube makes him look like someone at a MtG tournament who thinks he's a lot better at Magic than he really is.


Really? Do you use the internet much? Visit RSP? Go online and read anything political? because this guy has been everywhere for the last year or two. I question the notion you have no idea who he is. The upside for me is I don't listen to 25 minute commencement speeches, ever. Gowdy is the guy with the worst hair in politics - or was, before Trump was elected. He was a kick-ass prosecutor and from what I understand a public servant more inclined to serve the public than to view them as a resource to feather his own after politics nest.

I like his delivery when the sound bites are taken in small pieces, like 2 or 3 minutes. No matter how much I might agree with a politician -- and I like this one a bit -- I still don't like listening to them or being lectured to by them. I used to think a guy who looks like he sliced a piece of Sliverback Gorilla fur off an actual gorilla and then stapled it to his head will never achieve a prominent office, especially something as lofty as president. But then, Trump.


I also didn't know what the Southern Poverty Law Center was until about a year ago and that was met with just as much incredulity. Chalk it up to there being so many sources of things that become so much noise. Googled him, and now the next time his name is referenced, I'll know who he is. He is now separate and distinct in my mind from the numberless other sources of things which... just are.

But I would like to correct my previous assertion. He looks like the economic advisor from Civ 2.



I also have no idea who he is. We don't live in Tripp's particular bubble. Or Sarxis' bubble. We live in our own separate bubbles.
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GameCrossing wrote:
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GameCrossing wrote:
No idea who this guy is, I'm guessing yet another megapastor. But that pic frozen on youtube makes him look like someone at a MtG tournament who thinks he's a lot better at Magic than he really is.


Really? Do you use the internet much? Visit RSP? Go online and read anything political? because this guy has been everywhere for the last year or two. I question the notion you have no idea who he is. The upside for me is I don't listen to 25 minute commencement speeches, ever. Gowdy is the guy with the worst hair in politics - or was, before Trump was elected. He was a kick-ass prosecutor and from what I understand a public servant more inclined to serve the public than to view them as a resource to feather his own after politics nest.

I like his delivery when the sound bites are taken in small pieces, like 2 or 3 minutes. No matter how much I might agree with a politician -- and I like this one a bit -- I still don't like listening to them or being lectured to by them. I used to think a guy who looks like he sliced a piece of Sliverback Gorilla fur off an actual gorilla and then stapled it to his head will never achieve a prominent office, especially something as lofty as president. But then, Trump.


I also didn't know what the Southern Poverty Law Center was until about a year ago and that was met with just as much incredulity. Chalk it up to there being so many sources of things that become so much noise. Googled him, and now the next time his name is referenced, I'll know who he is. He is now separate and distinct in my mind from the numberless other sources of things which... just are.

But I would like to correct my previous assertion. He looks like the economic advisor from Civ 2.



I also have no idea who he is. We don't live in Tripp's particular bubble. Or Sarxis' bubble. We live in our own separate bubbles.


This just proves that you eye closing ear plugging, living in a cave on mars have no idea what is going on. Go back to your safe spaces liberals, you really dont want to hear what he has to say.
 
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GameCrossing wrote:
DWTripp wrote:
GameCrossing wrote:
No idea who this guy is, I'm guessing yet another megapastor. But that pic frozen on youtube makes him look like someone at a MtG tournament who thinks he's a lot better at Magic than he really is.


Really? Do you use the internet much? Visit RSP? Go online and read anything political? because this guy has been everywhere for the last year or two. I question the notion you have no idea who he is. The upside for me is I don't listen to 25 minute commencement speeches, ever. Gowdy is the guy with the worst hair in politics - or was, before Trump was elected. He was a kick-ass prosecutor and from what I understand a public servant more inclined to serve the public than to view them as a resource to feather his own after politics nest.

I like his delivery when the sound bites are taken in small pieces, like 2 or 3 minutes. No matter how much I might agree with a politician -- and I like this one a bit -- I still don't like listening to them or being lectured to by them. I used to think a guy who looks like he sliced a piece of Sliverback Gorilla fur off an actual gorilla and then stapled it to his head will never achieve a prominent office, especially something as lofty as president. But then, Trump.


I also didn't know what the Southern Poverty Law Center was until about a year ago and that was met with just as much incredulity. Chalk it up to there being so many sources of things that become so much noise. Googled him, and now the next time his name is referenced, I'll know who he is. He is now separate and distinct in my mind from the numberless other sources of things which... just are.

But I would like to correct my previous assertion. He looks like the economic advisor from Civ 2.



Really? You can recall the minor cut scenes from a 20 year old iteration of Civ but have never seen Gowdy? I have a vague memory of those guys but I normally just turn off the advisers altogether. The military guy is pretty funny though.
 
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I've never heard of this person either.

Doesn't mean anything one way or the other, just sayin.

EDIT: at least we all live in the Civ 2 bubble right? What a great game.
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This is starting to explain a lot.
Did any of you watch Comey testifying? Or did you just go to your favorite liberal websites to be told what to think about them?
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DWTripp wrote:
GameCrossing wrote:
DWTripp wrote:
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No idea who this guy is, I'm guessing yet another megapastor. But that pic frozen on youtube makes him look like someone at a MtG tournament who thinks he's a lot better at Magic than he really is.


Really? Do you use the internet much? Visit RSP? Go online and read anything political? because this guy has been everywhere for the last year or two. I question the notion you have no idea who he is. The upside for me is I don't listen to 25 minute commencement speeches, ever. Gowdy is the guy with the worst hair in politics - or was, before Trump was elected. He was a kick-ass prosecutor and from what I understand a public servant more inclined to serve the public than to view them as a resource to feather his own after politics nest.

I like his delivery when the sound bites are taken in small pieces, like 2 or 3 minutes. No matter how much I might agree with a politician -- and I like this one a bit -- I still don't like listening to them or being lectured to by them. I used to think a guy who looks like he sliced a piece of Sliverback Gorilla fur off an actual gorilla and then stapled it to his head will never achieve a prominent office, especially something as lofty as president. But then, Trump.


I also didn't know what the Southern Poverty Law Center was until about a year ago and that was met with just as much incredulity. Chalk it up to there being so many sources of things that become so much noise. Googled him, and now the next time his name is referenced, I'll know who he is. He is now separate and distinct in my mind from the numberless other sources of things which... just are.

But I would like to correct my previous assertion. He looks like the economic advisor from Civ 2.



Really? You can recall the minor cut scenes from a 20 year old iteration of Civ but have never seen Gowdy? I have a vague memory of those guys but I normally just turn off the advisers altogether. The military guy is pretty funny though.


Let's just say that I spent a lot of time with Civ 2. And not much time on seeking out confirmation bias.
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What do I believe?

I believe I'll have another bourbon.

As for Mr. Gowdy? Meh. Heard it before. Some of it is good advice, most of it is just recycled Sunday School teaching.
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This is starting to explain a lot.
Did any of you watch Comey testifying? Or did you just go to your favorite liberal websites to be told what to think about them?


That is a really good point. Guess there is truth to the adage about 'who you associate with'.
 
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Let's just say that I spent a lot of time with Civ 2. And not much time on seeking out confirmation bias.


Huh? Civ 2 aside (I am currently in Civ 6) why does listening to a politician equate to confirmation bias? For example, when he grilled Comey he wasn't presenting his own evidence in order to seek confirmation of beliefs he held, at least that wasn't my take. And I didn't watch clips of the grilling to get support for my beliefs either. By what appears to be your standard (or incorrect definition of confirmation bias) anyone listening to any politician is stupidly just listening to seek confirmation.

I listened to Hillary, was I seeking confirmation? I also listened to a few of the Civ 2 advisers and saw that they were often giving bad advice but sometimes delivering it humorously.
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Surprisingly I agreeded with most of what he said - of course he was trying to under pin it with religious belief but much of what he said would still be true if you were espousing old school fascism or communism.


Then again true believers in any field are he most dangerous of all.

 
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I wish more conservatives has listened to this speech before they voted for Trump, if they had, they wouldn't have voted for him and would have just accepted defeat in the election. The lack of principles by the religious has never been more clear than it was on November 8, 2016.
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I wish more conservatives has listened to this speech before they voted for Trump, if they had, they wouldn't have voted for him and would have just accepted defeat in the election. The lack of principles by the religious has never been more clear than it was on November 8, 2016.



Please stop projecting.



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Surprisingly I agreeded with most of what he said - of course he was trying to under pin it with religious belief but much of what he said would still be true if you were espousing old school fascism or communism.


Then again true believers in any field are he most dangerous of all.



 
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I wish conservatives had listened to this speech before they voted for Trump, if they had, they wouldn't have voted for him and would have just accepted defeat in the election. The lack of principles by the religious has never been more clear than it was on November 8, 2016.


Please stop projecting.

Did you even listen to the speech before you posted it? Or were you just so in thrall of the biblical references that you weren't able to process what he was saying? I'd recommend you go back and listen to it again. His message was pretty clear... people should live by their convictions and calling people stupid isn't a way to persuade them.

Trey Gowdy is a hypocrite who does not live by his convictions and so are you. What I find most absurd about him is that he even mentions the effect of those who behave hypocritically on how others perceive their arguments. The extraordinary hypocrisy of the conservatives in this election shows that their "holier than thou" attitude is (and always has been) a joke.
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I wish conservatives had listened to this speech before they voted for Trump, if they had, they wouldn't have voted for him and would have just accepted defeat in the election. The lack of principles by the religious has never been more clear than it was on November 8, 2016.


Please stop projecting.

Did you even listen to the speech before you posted it? Or were you just so in thrall of the biblical references that you weren't able to process what he was saying? I'd recommend you go back and listen to it again. His message was pretty clear... people should live by their convictions and calling people stupid isn't a way to persuade them.

Trey Gowdy is a hypocrite who does not live by his convictions and so are you. What I find most absurd about him is that he even mentions the effect of those who behave hypocritically on how others perceive their arguments. The extraordinary hypocrisy of the conservatives in this election shows that their "holier than thou" attitude is (and always has been) a joke.


How do you know these things? I know very little about Trey Gowdy but you seem well informed. Please, list the things he is hypocritical about. While you're at it I want a list for Sarxis as well. Clearly you are a man of extraordinary vision that can pierce into the hearts and minds of the most dangerous of ideological opponents. I consider that to be, well, holier than normal, maybe even holier than thou's, thou being anyone who doesn't agree with you.

Nonetheless, you made the call of hypocrisy, now deliver the goods or forever be known in RSP as a total piece of lying shit.
 
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Let's just say that I spent a lot of time with Civ 2. And not much time on seeking out confirmation bias.


Huh? Civ 2 aside (I am currently in Civ 6) why does listening to a politician equate to confirmation bias? For example, when he grilled Comey he wasn't presenting his own evidence in order to seek confirmation of beliefs he held, at least that wasn't my take. And I didn't watch clips of the grilling to get support for my beliefs either. By what appears to be your standard (or incorrect definition of confirmation bias) anyone listening to any politician is stupidly just listening to seek confirmation.

I listened to Hillary, was I seeking confirmation? I also listened to a few of the Civ 2 advisers and saw that they were often giving bad advice but sometimes delivering it humorously.


Oh, that was him? Well, makes sense then that you'd think I would know his name. But to me, he was just another in the faceless barrage of people trying to glom on the gravy train of outrage. But now he is on my radar. So thanks for that. (Degree of sincerity: to be determined)

As for Civ, my computer blew up a few months ago and the replacement-on-the-cheap doesn't have a graphic card to support Civ 4, much less 6. It makes me sad, but more than that it makes me hate Dave Ramsey. Bastard.
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How do you know these things? I know very little about Trey Gowdy but you seem well informed. Please, list the things he is hypocritical about. While you're at it I want a list for Sarxis as well. Clearly you are a man of extraordinary vision that can pierce into the hearts and minds of the most dangerous of ideological opponents. I consider that to be, well, holier than normal, maybe even holier than thou's, thou being anyone who doesn't agree with you.

Nonetheless, you made the call of hypocrisy, now deliver the goods or forever be known in RSP as a total piece of lying shit.

I don't really care what your opinion of me is. Your assumption that there is no way I could know something you don't just shows how arrogant you are. Gowdy has been one of the main people performing the inquisition against Obama and Clinton in all of these ridiculous investigations in the house. I remember seeing him many times raking Hillary over the coals.

The reason he is a hypocrite is that he does not hold Republicans to the same standards as he does Hillary and Obama. He is great at doing the "I'm furious because X broke the rules speech" but he never does it against Republicans.

Furthermore he fucking endorsed Trump. Trump is a man who epitomizes everything that Gowdy claims to be against. he is a liar, a thief, he has violated virtually every rule that Christianity has to offer. And yet, Gowdy, who not only claims to be a Christian, but also proudly delivers speeches about not being a hypocrite and how everyone should always follow the rules, endorsed the pile of human excrement that is named Trump. So yeah, he is a hypocrite.
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