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David Dearlove
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So trump is so far showing himself an inept diplomat. First he meets Farage ahead of all real politicians. Thus snubbing all his allies. Then he tells the UK that he would like him as ambassador. We tend to use career diplomats and the current UK ambassador to the US has rather had the rug pulled out from under him.May cannot legitimise Farage, a man who can,t get elected as an MP in that way. Trump is being absurd.
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DavidDearlove wrote:

So trump is so far showing himself an inept diplomat. First he meets Farage ahead of all real politicians. Thus snubbing all his allies. Then he tells the UK that he would like him as ambassador. We tend to use career diplomats and the current UK ambassador to the US has rather had the rug pulled out from under him.May cannot legitimise Farage, a man who can,t get elected as an MP in that way. Trump is being absurd.


Yes he is - he is never going to get his way on this. You can't have a foreign country appoint ambassadors to itself. Trump could of course appoint Farage as the US ambassador to the UK if he wishes.

However it is also somewhat of a smokescreen over the reports that Trump wants Farage, Banks and UKIP to fight against windfarms near his Aberdeen golf course.
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DavidDearlove wrote:

So trump is so far showing himself an inept diplomat. First he meets Farage ahead of all real politicians. Thus snubbing all his allies. Then he tells the UK that he would like him as ambassador. We tend to use career diplomats and the current UK ambassador to the US has rather had the rug pulled out from under him.May cannot legitimise Farage, a man who can,t get elected as an MP in that way. Trump is being absurd.


It's Trump. Absurd is his stock-in-trade, it seems, something he has in common with Farage - that, and a desire to pursue emotion-based policies, rather than evidence-based ones.

Farage holds no position worthy of the coverage the media has thus far given him, and again we are seeing how the traditional media's desperation in the face of their dwindling revenue streams are making them give undue prominence to this odious little tin-pot demagogue, simply because he is prepared to say extreme things, and lie shamelessly, and that shifts product. Why is a man who is the interim leader of a party with one MP being allowed to form the political narrative? It disgusts me. But then, we are living in an era where facts hold no sway.
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Trump is an experienced businessman and Farage is just a naive tourist. Trump will play him like a dime-store harmonica.
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DavidDearlove wrote:

So trump is so far showing himself an inept diplomat. First he meets Farage ahead of all real politicians. Thus snubbing all his allies. Then he tells the UK that he would like him as ambassador. We tend to use career diplomats and the current UK ambassador to the US has rather had the rug pulled out from under him.May cannot legitimise Farage, a man who can,t get elected as an MP in that way. Trump is being absurd.


Farrage is seen as a pimp here in the USA based on one speech alone. You can keep crying, but it wont make any difference.

 
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utoption2 wrote:
DavidDearlove wrote:

So trump is so far showing himself an inept diplomat. First he meets Farage ahead of all real politicians. Thus snubbing all his allies. Then he tells the UK that he would like him as ambassador. We tend to use career diplomats and the current UK ambassador to the US has rather had the rug pulled out from under him.May cannot legitimise Farage, a man who can,t get elected as an MP in that way. Trump is being absurd.


David:

Could you provide some context? Who is Farage and what is his role in British politics/government?

Dennis


He was until recently the head of the UK Independence Party, a racist xenophobic right-wing party. He's never had any role in UK government, but was elected to the European Parliament; he used his seat their there to slag on the EU. He was a leader of the Brexit campaign.
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jeremycobert wrote:
DavidDearlove wrote:

So trump is so far showing himself an inept diplomat. First he meets Farage ahead of all real politicians. Thus snubbing all his allies. Then he tells the UK that he would like him as ambassador. We tend to use career diplomats and the current UK ambassador to the US has rather had the rug pulled out from under him.May cannot legitimise Farage, a man who can,t get elected as an MP in that way. Trump is being absurd.


Farrage is seen as a pimp here in the USA

Is being seen as a pimp a good thing?
 
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wifwendell wrote:
utoption2 wrote:
DavidDearlove wrote:

So trump is so far showing himself an inept diplomat. First he meets Farage ahead of all real politicians. Thus snubbing all his allies. Then he tells the UK that he would like him as ambassador. We tend to use career diplomats and the current UK ambassador to the US has rather had the rug pulled out from under him.May cannot legitimise Farage, a man who can,t get elected as an MP in that way. Trump is being absurd.


David:

Could you provide some context? Who is Farage and what is his role in British politics/government?

Dennis


He was until recently the head of the UK Independence Party, a racist xenophobic right-wing party. He's never had any role in UK government, but was elected to the European Parliament; he used his seat their to slag on the EU. He was a leader of the Brexit campaign.

Not quite. He had nothing to do with the official Brexit campaign (as slater keeps on telling us). He was cheering from the sidelines and running a non-official campaign. He has never been elected to the UK Parliament. He said he would resign as leader of UKIP after the last general election if he didn't win a seat in Parliament. He did, but then took back his resignation almost immediately afterwards. He then resigned properly after the Brexit vote, but is still interim leader as the elected leader gave up after a few weeks and has now left the party.
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Farage, as an MEP, is paid in Euros which means since the Brexit vote has caused the exchange rate to drop, he is now earning 12% more. Nice pay rise.
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Trump is an experienced businessman and Farage is just a naive tourist. Trump will play him like a dime-store harmonica.


You may well be right. What troubles me is that Trump and Farage are effectively being enabled by the media to entirely circumvent the kinds of checks-and-balances that have previously ensured precipitate policy-making, of the kind which plays to the people's irrationalities and prejudices, is avoided. Would Trump be able to manipulate Farage? As, I say, very likely, but if Farage were not being given the airtime he's getting - airtime of an order of magnitude he simply does not warrant, on the basis of his party's actual representation in the various organs of government - then it simply would not matter. Trump is only talking to Farage at all because he knows it will be slavishly reported by the mainstream news media. It's all rather depressing.
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andyl wrote:
jeremycobert wrote:
DavidDearlove wrote:

So trump is so far showing himself an inept diplomat. First he meets Farage ahead of all real politicians. Thus snubbing all his allies. Then he tells the UK that he would like him as ambassador. We tend to use career diplomats and the current UK ambassador to the US has rather had the rug pulled out from under him.May cannot legitimise Farage, a man who can,t get elected as an MP in that way. Trump is being absurd.


Farrage is seen as a pimp here in the USA

Is being seen as a pimp a good thing?


In as much as some political quarters of the US would seem to want a person representing the Court of St. James who would be quite prepared to economically and politically prostitute their country for personal power, apparently yes.
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andyl wrote:
wifwendell wrote:
utoption2 wrote:
DavidDearlove wrote:

So trump is so far showing himself an inept diplomat. First he meets Farage ahead of all real politicians. Thus snubbing all his allies. Then he tells the UK that he would like him as ambassador. We tend to use career diplomats and the current UK ambassador to the US has rather had the rug pulled out from under him.May cannot legitimise Farage, a man who can,t get elected as an MP in that way. Trump is being absurd.


David:

Could you provide some context? Who is Farage and what is his role in British politics/government?

Dennis


He was until recently the head of the UK Independence Party, a racist xenophobic right-wing party. He's never had any role in UK government, but was elected to the European Parliament; he used his seat their to slag on the EU. He was a leader of the Brexit campaign.

Not quite. He had nothing to do with the official Brexit campaign (as slater keeps on telling us). He was cheering from the sidelines and running a non-official campaign. He has never been elected to the UK Parliament. He said he would resign as leader of UKIP after the last general election if he didn't win a seat in Parliament. He did, but then took back his resignation almost immediately afterwards. He then resigned properly after the Brexit vote, but is still interim leader as the elected leader gave up after a few weeks and has now left the party.
Right, Farrage is not and never was important in UK politics, and he should have no official (or even unofficial) role now. He was only ever a protest joke. We should tell Donny to fuck himself it is time we accepted there is no special relationship.

Donny has no more right to tell us what we should do then we would have to tell Donny who we want as US ambassador.
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DavidDearlove wrote:

Trump is being absurd.


Absurd seems to have worked for him thus far:

 
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Sarxis wrote:
DavidDearlove wrote:

Trump is being absurd.


Absurd seems to have worked for him thus far:

What may have worked for US voters is not going to work for HMG.
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Sarxis wrote:
DavidDearlove wrote:

Trump is being absurd.


Absurd seems to have worked for him thus far:


a man of quick temper acts foolishly and a man of evil devices is hated - proverbs 14:17
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andyl wrote:
Sarxis wrote:
DavidDearlove wrote:

Trump is being absurd.


Absurd seems to have worked for him thus far:

What may have worked for US voters is not going to work for HMG.


No. 10 have said there is "no vacancy". I suspect that for Mr. Trump and Farage the mechanisms which are intended to prevent abuses of power and government by caprice and fiat seem unpalatable, but it would seem that the British government disagrees. Mr. Trump should keep his nose out of British politics.

Farage is now blithering about his summary rejection being about "career politics" and not "in the country's interest", despite the fact that the role isn't available, he's not in the Diplomatic Service, he has no experience in international politics (aside from loudly braying lies and insults at MEPs), and he's the interim leader of what was purportedly a single-issue party that only has one single MP out of 650. He really is a repellent little man. If only that plane had just been just a little bit higher up when the banner got tangled... :-(
 
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andyl wrote:
However it is also somewhat of a smokescreen over the reports that Trump wants Farage, Banks and UKIP to fight against windfarms near his Aberdeen golf course.
We got TRUMP Jr. 'miniature golf' here, with "tiny hands Inane Clowns "Puss"*GRAB*MONSstrosity!" \>sauron</
 
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AttackFactorZero wrote:
Farage, as an MEP, is paid in Euros which means since the Brexit vote has caused the exchange rate to drop, he is now earning 12% more. Nice pay rise.


For a job he refuses to do.
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