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Subject: Top 10 family games for Christmas - The Telegraph rss

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richard parker
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Just spotted this 'article' by UK paper 'The Telegraph'.

Can we do something about this please? They really should know better, by now...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/christmas/0/the-top-10-family-gam...
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Wow. It's the 1970's all over again. Some real shite there.
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To save everyone a click:

Monopoly
Scrabble
Bannanagrams
Risk
Trivial Pursuit
Chess
Cranium
Battleship
Jenga
Clue(do)

Also honorable mention to Twilight Imperium 3

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This is a joke, no? surprise

We should send them the BGG Holiday Gift Guide but the 2016 version is not published yet
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Kisco wrote:
This is a joke, no? surprise

We should send them the BGG Holiday Gift Guide but the 2016 version is not published yet


They won't pay any attention. This isn't about actually informing people of anything, it's about filling space. Sad, but true.
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rikthechief wrote:
Can we do something about this please?
Yes. We can ignore it.
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Thunkd wrote:
rikthechief wrote:
Can we do something about this please?
Yes. We can ignore it.


It's top of the google search for Xmas board games, if we ignore it, doesn't it just validate peoples preconceptions of board games in general?
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rikthechief wrote:
Thunkd wrote:
rikthechief wrote:
Can we do something about this please?
Yes. We can ignore it.


It's top of the google search for Xmas board games, if we ignore it, doesn't it just validate peoples preconceptions of board games in general?
Nothing we'd do would have any effect.

The people who will look at the first site they find, see the standard slew of board games and decide that's what they should get... those people weren't going to buy "real" board games in any scenario.
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rikthechief wrote:
doesn't it just validate peoples preconceptions of board games in general?


    Let's ignore that too.

    Seriously guys, there's nothing worse than having your hobby become trendy.

             S.

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Thunkd wrote:
rikthechief wrote:
Thunkd wrote:
rikthechief wrote:
Can we do something about this please?
Yes. We can ignore it.


It's top of the google search for Xmas board games, if we ignore it, doesn't it just validate peoples preconceptions of board games in general?
Nothing we'd do would have any effect.

The people who will look at the first site they find, see the standard slew of board games and decide that's what they should get... those people weren't going to buy "real" board games in any scenario.



Right. What has me stumped is why these people needed a reminder that Monopoly, Risk, Clue, Jenga etc. exist. I guess that's what Mutton_Chops meant when referring to the need to fill space. Nobody in the editor's office thought this was actually providing a service to their readers. Somebody just said, "Hey, we've still got a few pages to fill. What should we put in there?"
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These sort of Top 10 lists always leave me disappointed, especially when they could be an opportunity to evangelize my favorite hobby.
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I'm assuming they copy and paste the same thing every year

Bananagrams is marked as a "relative newcomer", and thats 10 years old according to bgg.

To be fair, they are going to list games you can buy from the local shops (not board gaming shops). No idea what its like in the UK, but here in Australia, all that shops like Target/Kmart stock are these sort of games.
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Nobody who knows anything is about to start accusing the Telegraph of quality journalism any time soon anyway.

Yes, these are all common games in high street stores, but what mystifies me is that even so, some high street stores do carry stuff like Carcasonne, Catan and others. Sure, not exactly ground-breaking by hobby standards, but better than the stuff quoted here.

Even more mystifying is the way it comes almost twenty years after Which? magazine (a serious consumer comparison magazine), published a list including Catan and Modern Art.
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Thunkd wrote:
rikthechief wrote:
Thunkd wrote:
rikthechief wrote:
Can we do something about this please?
Yes. We can ignore it.


It's top of the google search for Xmas board games, if we ignore it, doesn't it just validate peoples preconceptions of board games in general?
Nothing we'd do would have any effect.

The people who will look at the first site they find, see the standard slew of board games and decide that's what they should get... those people weren't going to buy "real" board games in any scenario.


I disagree, if you put the right information in front of people, they often respond positively.

It was the late 90s, as I mentioned above, Which? magazine in the UK ran an article of board games and rated Modern Art rather highly, along with a list of suggested stockists (primarily FLGS). I was friends with the manager of our FLGS at the time and ended up spending a lot of time in the store over the run-up to Christmas manning the phones.

I don't know how many copies of Modern Art we shifted that year, but it was an awful lot and the orders kept coming in after Christmas, eventually tapering off in the new year.

Similarly, I used to write a games column for a regional magazine whilst running another FLGS and we'd see a good few people coming in and looking at stuff off the back of that.

Now, I know this is different from "first site" browsers, but the principle stands, anybody taking the effort to read the article is clearly interested and seeing the same old stuff on the first page might be enough to make the less dedicated assume everything is status quo from Christmas 1977.
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Playing naff board games at Christmas is an old British tradition
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Look! The Telegraph may have redeemed themselves:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/christmas/0/20-best-christmas-boa...

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greendayfan333 wrote:
Look! The Telegraph my have redeemed themselves:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/christmas/0/20-best-christmas-boa...



They played us!
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bortmonkey wrote:
I'm assuming they copy and paste the same thing every year


Looks likely. No byeline. I believe it may be another piece by that Private Eye favourite Phil Space.

squiffles wrote:
These sort of Top 10 lists always leave me disappointed, especially when they could be an opportunity to evangelize my favorite hobby.


Honestly, that's one of the reasons it can be hard to get decent board game articles into the media. Too many prospective writers see it as a chance to "evangelize" which really doesn't lead to quality pitches.
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greendayfan333 wrote:
Look! The Telegraph my have redeemed themselves:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/christmas/0/20-best-christmas-boa...



There are 2 or 3 I've never heard of (Happy Salmon & Geistesblitz 2.0, Pandánte sounds familiar but I may be confusing it with another panda themed game).

I thought Taboo was fairly well known though - that seems like the kind of game that would have featured in their first list.
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Bannanagrams, Cranium* & Jenga are actually reasonably good family games

* I really dislike Cranium, at least partly because it's the kind of game where people say "go on it'll be fun" and refuse to believe that anyone won't like it, whereas people are quite happy to accept that someone doesn't like a game like Chess). I still think it's a reasonable game for people who like that kind of game though...
 
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They're in an alternate reality where Avalon Hill was never founded and eurogames were never invented.
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oneshallstand wrote:
Thunkd wrote:
rikthechief wrote:
Thunkd wrote:
rikthechief wrote:
Can we do something about this please?
Yes. We can ignore it.


It's top of the google search for Xmas board games, if we ignore it, doesn't it just validate peoples preconceptions of board games in general?
Nothing we'd do would have any effect.

The people who will look at the first site they find, see the standard slew of board games and decide that's what they should get... those people weren't going to buy "real" board games in any scenario.


I disagree, if you put the right information in front of people, they often respond positively.
And how are you going to do that? Page views and comments are two metrics websites use to measure success. They'd likely view your attempts to "correct" the article as proof of its success.

At best, you'd be hoping that one of the people reading this article will suffer through all the lame suggestions and read the comments? The people who are at risk of being swayed by this article aren't going to be convinced by your comments. They probably won't even bother reading them. There are tons of articles like this out there. Trying to "fix" them is pointless.

So a few people see this and think board games are lame. It's okay if we don't convert 100% of the population to boardgaming. I'm not going to sweat it if we miss a couple of people. There's also tons of great info out there. If someone wants to find information about gaming, they can. I can't be bothered to worry about the ones who give up after the first Google listing. If nothing else, when they hit Target or Barnes and Nobles they'll see a much wider selection than Monopoly and Jenga. There's some respectable games being carried at the major outlets these days. I think you're blowing the problem out of proportion. Things will be fine even without our intervention.
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greendayfan333 wrote:
Look! The Telegraph may have redeemed themselves:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/christmas/0/20-best-christmas-boa...



"Snatch-It" (number 3 on the list) used to be called "Snatch". I can't imagine why they changed it Actually, it's long been a source of puerile amusement for my wife and I, since she bought our copy (primarily on the basis of the name), and thus it is always spoken of in the possessive case, e.g. "Where is your Snatch, my dear?". Oh, how we laugh...
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As crappy as that list is, how did Ticket to Ride not make the top 10?
 
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I don't think anybody is advocating spamming the contents section, that would, as you point out, merely reinforce the idea that they've published the right story.

And in principle, I agree with the idea that people who are looking for board games will not sheepishly see this advert and assume that this is the status quo and, in fact, *are* actually open minded and looking for something new.

The point is, putting the right information out there. We've seen a few articles come out this year (like every year, in fairness), some a re clever and balanced and others are "Hey, Monopoly! What a great game!"

The (first) Telegraph article is shocking whilst I admit the second is an improvement. Others have surfaced in other threads and they are all better lists in one way or another.

I've done my time in the trenches and submitted lists to printed media in the past (lists that would get crucified by at least 40% of the users on here, but that's the nature of BGG).

People are often looking for a new boardgame, something better than what they have and whilst articles like this don't help them, they are likely to remain open to suggestion by the right article.

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