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http://elections.ap.org/content/conway-trump-not-interested-...



 
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Bad idea. If she broke the law, then prosecute her.

To say "Yeah, she's suffered enough," is just another case of placing her above the law.

Does the rule of law mean anything, or doesn't it?

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Drew1365 wrote:
Bad idea. If she broke the law, then prosecute her.

Did the head of the FBI not say there was no evidence of criminal wrongdoing?

I mean, we're past the "post-fact" election, we can get back into facts, right?
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Drew1365 wrote:
Bad idea. If she broke the law, then prosecute her.

To say "Yeah, she's suffered enough," is just another case of placing her above the law.

Does the rule of law mean anything, or doesn't it?



Drew, I definitely see your point, and mostly agree.

However, maybe it is best just to let it ride and let the country move on since there is so much divisiveness right now. I think further legal action will just stir up the pot even more and diminish Trump's power, vision, and his popularity.

I think the Clintons have been thoroughly humiliated and their run is over. I hope that they can move back to NY or Chicago or where ever they decide and retire from the media and politics. I doubt that will happen.
 
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stanstanminson wrote:
Drew1365 wrote:
Bad idea. If she broke the law, then prosecute her.

Did the head of the FBI not say there was no evidence of criminal wrongdoing?

I mean, we're past the "post-fact" election, we can get back into facts, right?


This may be a shock, but just maybe it was *suggested* to Comey that he back off? cough, cough...

After all Hillary did cite Comey as one of the factors in her fall.
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stanstanminson wrote:
Drew1365 wrote:
Bad idea. If she broke the law, then prosecute her.

Did the head of the FBI not say there was no evidence of criminal wrongdoing?


Not exactly what he said. In fact, he recited a laundry list of illegalities, before he said he wouldn't recommend prosecution. And he also added, in case anybody got the idea that what she did wasn't illegal, that anybody else would have been prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Just not Hillary.

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I mean, we're past the "post-fact" election, we can get back into facts, right?


Yes. But that would require us to clean house at the DOJ and the FBI.

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stanstanminson wrote:
Drew1365 wrote:
Bad idea. If she broke the law, then prosecute her.

Did the head of the FBI not say there was no evidence of criminal wrongdoing?

I mean, we're past the "post-fact" election, we can get back into facts, right?


This may be a shock, but just maybe it was *suggested* to Comey that he back off? cough, cough...

After all Hillary did cite Comey as one of the factors in her fall.


ooo, let me try:



This may be a shock, but just maybe it was *suggested* to Comey that he re-open his investigation? cough, cough...

After all Hillary did cite Comey as one of the factors in her fall.


Funny how it works both ways for some reason.
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Of course. I love the way the Rs boast about Trump being a "master persuader".

Yes. He's very good at selling snake oil. That doesn't make you a winner for buying the snake oil.

In this scenario, you're the geniuses who spent the family money on snake oil, we're the ones who are going to have to tell the kids that there's no dinner tonight because you spent all the family money on snake oil. Yeah, we're the ones who are sad now, but once you geniuses stop pointing at us and screaming "ha ha you're sad!" and figure it out, you'll be sad too.
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If she broke the law she should be prosecuted. Pure and simple. If not, "I pardon her" (which is the effect of what he's saying) is dishonest. You don't pardon an innocent person.

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God, who'da thunk that the 'Master Persuader' was pandering to the Anti-Hilary crowd out there with his 'Lock Her Up!!' rhetoric, when he had NO INTENTION of doing this, for whatever reason- either he realized that the case against Ms. Clinton wasn't there, or he didn't want to pay the political price for going after a political opponent, or he flipped a coin in Trump Tower with Conway while eating his Cheerios for breakfast. Who knows?

But it's pretty clear that he was playing Trump supporters for saps on this promise.

I wonder how everyone is going to react when he walks away from 'The Wall' with Mexico.....

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utoption2 wrote:
Drew1365 wrote:
Bad idea. If she broke the law, then prosecute her.

To say "Yeah, she's suffered enough," is just another case of placing her above the law.

Does the rule of law mean anything, or doesn't it?



Drew, I definitely see your point, and mostly agree.

However, maybe it is best just to let it ride and let the country move on since there is so much divisiveness right now. I think further legal action will just stir up the pot even more and diminish Trump's power, vision, and his popularity.

I think the Clintons have been thoroughly humiliated and their run is over. I hope that they can move back to NY or Chicago or where ever they decide and retire from the media and politics. I doubt that will happen.


But one of the main slats (only?) in his platform was that Clinton was a criminal. Not a politician who legally manipulated this system but an actual criminal. That the whole system was rigged to protect the powerful elites and permit criminal activity. He specifically said one of the first things he would do as President is create a special commission to prosecute her.

Now that doesn't matter after he's been elected? That he is going to validate the rigged system he railed against? What?

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utoption2 wrote:
Drew1365 wrote:
Bad idea. If she broke the law, then prosecute her.

To say "Yeah, she's suffered enough," is just another case of placing her above the law.

Does the rule of law mean anything, or doesn't it?



Drew, I definitely see your point, and mostly agree.

However, maybe it is best just to let it ride and let the country move on since there is so much divisiveness right now. I think further legal action will just stir up the pot even more and diminish Trump's power, vision, and his popularity.


I really want the law to mean something again. People are tired of seeing elected officials skate free for the same actions that would send the citizen class to prison for years.

I understand the desire to just let it go because of the fractured state of the nation, but I also remember the outcry when Ford pardoned Nixon.

It really goes right back to the oft-repeated question of 2016: does the rule of law mean anything?
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Darilian wrote:
God, who'da thunk that the 'Master Persuader' was pandering to the Anti-Hilary crowd out there with his 'Lock Her Up!!' rhetoric, when he had NO INTENTION of doing this, for whatever reason- either he realized that the case against Ms. Clinton wasn't there, or he didn't want to pay the political price for going after a political opponent, or he flipped a coin in Trump Tower with Conway while eating his Cheerios for breakfast. Who knows?

But it's pretty clear that he was playing Trump supporters for saps on this promise.

I wonder how everyone is going to react when he walks away from 'The Wall' with Mexico.....

Darilian


OMG!!! A **Dar** sighting! Are you in fact still alive or is this a robot posting?
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Drew1365 wrote:


It really goes right back to the oft-repeated question of 2016: does the rule of law mean anything?


Under Pres. Trump? Probably less than it did under Pres. Obama or a hypothetical Hilary Clinton presidency.

It's pretty clear that Trump is doing whatever makes him popular with his base, more than what he thinks is important for America.

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Drew1365 wrote:
Bad idea. If she broke the law, then prosecute her.

To say "Yeah, she's suffered enough," is just another case of placing her above the law.

Does the rule of law mean anything, or doesn't it?

clinton merely wanted to protect her privacy and not let personal information get out into the public - surely you can sympathize
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Drew1365 wrote:
And he also added, in case anybody got the idea that what she did wasn't illegal, that anybody else would have been prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Just not Hillary.



Just to clarify--- where exactly did he say this?

edit-> Because the quote I'm familiar with is this:

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Sen. Sasse: Do you think that Secretary Clinton break any laws related to classified data?

Director Comey: We have no evidence sufficient to justify the conclusion that she violated any of the statutes related to classified information.


http://www.mediaite.com/online/fbi-director-comey-says-there...


Which directly contradicts your sentiments here.
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Darilian wrote:
God, who'da thunk that the 'Master Persuader' was pandering to the Anti-Hilary crowd out there with his 'Lock Her Up!!' rhetoric, when he had NO INTENTION of doing this, for whatever reason- either he realized that the case against Ms. Clinton wasn't there, or he didn't want to pay the political price for going after a political opponent, or he flipped a coin in Trump Tower with Conway while eating his Cheerios for breakfast. Who knows?

But it's pretty clear that he was playing Trump supporters for saps on this promise.

I wonder how everyone is going to react when he walks away from 'The Wall' with Mexico.....

Darilian


OMG!!! A **Dar** sighting! Are you in fact still alive or is this a robot posting?


I'm alive- I'm just dealing with a lot of personal bullshit right now.

Ie- my former employers are a bunch of weasels.

But I just talked with my lawyer, got a bunch of hush money, and signed an NDA. So life is better now!

Ah well, employment in the 21st Century.

Gah.

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Of course. I love the way the Rs boast about Trump being a "master persuader".

Yes. He's very good at selling snake oil. That doesn't make you a winner for buying the snake oil.

In this scenario, you're the geniuses who spent the family money on snake oil, we're the ones who are going to have to tell the kids that there's no dinner tonight because you spent all the family money on snake oil. Yeah, we're the ones who are sad now, but once you geniuses stop pointing at us and screaming "ha ha you're sad!" and figure it out, you'll be sad too.


I don't recall the term "master persuader" being used in reference with regards to Trump? With regards to President Pencil-Neck, sure, but Trump, not so much. And, Ryan, the snake oil you're referring to, that's the Dems that bought into Soon-to-be-ex-President Pencil-Neck.
 
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McJarvis wrote:
utoption2 wrote:
stanstanminson wrote:
Drew1365 wrote:
Bad idea. If she broke the law, then prosecute her.

Did the head of the FBI not say there was no evidence of criminal wrongdoing?

I mean, we're past the "post-fact" election, we can get back into facts, right?


This may be a shock, but just maybe it was *suggested* to Comey that he back off? cough, cough...

After all Hillary did cite Comey as one of the factors in her fall.


ooo, let me try:



This may be a shock, but just maybe it was *suggested* to Comey that he re-open his investigation? cough, cough...

After all Hillary did cite Comey as one of the factors in her fall.


Funny how it works both ways for some reason.


Stoopid me, not following your point.
 
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Darilian wrote:
I wonder how everyone is going to react when he walks away from 'The Wall' with Mexico.....
I dunno, I think this one can be achieved Obama-style, like Gitmo closing. Obama made the motions of closing Gitmo and Congress said fuggitaboutit, allowing him to say "Aw shucks, well I tried". Trump just has to do the same thing. Frame the project in a way that Congress will not fund and then they are the bad guys and he "tried".
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Darilian wrote:
I wonder how everyone is going to react when he walks away from 'The Wall' with Mexico.....
I dunno, I think this one can be achieved Obama-style, like Gitmo closing. Obama made the motions of closing Gitmo and Congress said fuggitaboutit, allowing him to say "Aw shucks, well I tried". Trump just has to do the same thing. Frame the project in a way that Congress will not fund and then they are the bad guys and he "tried".


Trump has already said that sections of fencing could be in the "wall". I suspect his supporters will be fine with a part-wall part-fencing solution. [Unless looming economic unrest in Mexico creates a tide of illegal immigration that Trump can't control even with a wall/fence]

So really we're talking about a border fence with at least a small portion of it being in wall-form.
 
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Darilian wrote:
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I wonder how everyone is going to react when he walks away from 'The Wall' with Mexico.....

Darilian


Dar, being a transplanted Texan, you should know how many millions or billions we spend on manpower and technology guarding the border. It's DPS' single biggest focus in terms of dollars and troopers. There is bipartisan support in the Texas Legislature to tighten the borders both through a physical and a technological wall.
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My biggest take away from all this is the State Department handles classified materials poorly and has shit for computer security. I have always been in favor of finding out how classified material got on non-secure email channels and going after the people who did that.

If Hillary explicitly told someone to circumvent the system (which she may have but there needs to be solid proof) then she should be prosecuted. But regardless, whoever transferred that data needs to be punished appropriately. If no one deliberate transferred the data but just do to the weird way the State Department does stuff allowed this transfer to happen then whoever the fuck is in charge of that system needs to be fired and more importantly the system needs to be fixed.

All I know is if I was 1/100 of this kind of incompetent I would have been fired if no out right jailed and it pisses me off that someone, somewhere got off because they are "more important than regular people" or a government employee who is impossible to fire.
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