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After a long thinking I've culled the title I wanna buy to this 2.
One I can find at 140 euros spqr, while gboa the Macedonian art of war with the two exp is at 90.
I know the comparison has already been made but not on these 2 point.
Grant that I want a fair game. Means both side enjoy a challenging battle experience.
Is spqr worth the extra 50 euros? Or just take gboa and wait for p500 of spqr?
I've seen very mixed feeling about gboa. People who say it's a matter of tactics and Alexader is not so Op. To people who said that is just playable solo.
I can't find tyrant anyway if someone hint this sadly coz is oop.
Thanks!!
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The new edition of Great Battles of Alexander includes Diadochoi, Phalanx, and Tyrant. If it makes any difference, that's a lot more game than comes with SPQR. There's also a wider variety of battles/opponents in GBOA, SPQR pretty much just covers the Second Punic War.
 
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wernervoss wrote:
The new edition of Great Battles of Alexander includes Diadochoi, Phalanx, and Tyrant. If it makes any difference, that's a lot more game than comes with SPQR. There's also a wider variety of battles/opponents in GBOA, SPQR pretty much just covers the Second Punic War.


Drat! Now I have to think, perhaps, about buying Alexander! Although I do have Hoplite, as well as SPQR; both games as of yet unplayed. Perhaps I should just do the sensible thing and play them both, first, before considering getting a third game...
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Alexander without a doubt! (pay no attention to my mircobadges )
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IT does include tyrant?
I think not
 
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Stefano1234 wrote:
IT does include tyrant?
I think not

How is the win ratio
 
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The newest GBoA does not include the Tyrant scenarios.

My advice with the series is to buy the game whose history you are most interested in. The strength of the series is its study of battle tactics in the ancient world, rather than being competitive games. Watching the evolution from city-state hoplites to Macedonian phalanges to Roman legions — and how they performed against an array of opposing army compositions — is quite interesting.
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Stefano1234 wrote:
IT does include tyrant?
I think not


Ah, my bad. On the page for the game on GMT's website, it looks like it does, though. Even without Tyrant, the new version of GBOA is still a better deal. It does include the Raphia module, which would otherwise be very hard to find.

If you get GBOA, and you decide you like it, you could always try to trade from Tyrant (11 people have it listed 'For Trade'), and there's also a BGGer in Germany that has a copy for sale.
 
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I think both are great games, but still prefer SPQR. Is SPQR the Deluxe version or the old one? If the old one I wouldn't pay those sums for it.

Actually, for me the best part of GBoA is the Tyrant module so if that one is OoP I would hesitate to buy GBoA. For SPQR the Barbarian: SPQR Module module is a must buy.
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wernervoss wrote:
The new edition of Great Battles of Alexander includes Diadochoi, Phalanx, and Tyrant. If it makes any difference, that's a lot more game than comes with SPQR. There's also a wider variety of battles/opponents in GBOA, SPQR pretty much just covers the Second Punic War.


I'm more into Roman than Greek stuff myself, but note that the Deluxe version of SPQR also includes Consul for Rome, Africanus and Pyrrhic Victory and at least some of the battles from War Elephant and Jugurtha. So there's a lot of stuff in there too. They are both beefy packages.

I would let your personal interests guide you here, even if that means eventually getting both. The big deluxe GBoA is available now so I'd say snatch it up, and then be patient watching the secondary market for a copy of SPQR Deluxe. (A reprint is also on P500.)
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wernervoss wrote:
On the page for the game on GMT's website, it looks like it does, though.


The BGG page details all the scenarios. Don't ask me why the info here is more reliable than the GMT page. They've been pretty terrible at accurately describing their GBoH line, especially what scenarios are included in the various editions.

(The latest example is the new Boudicaa product, which only implies, rather than outright states that it's a GBoH game and is really an expansion to the Gaul game.)
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Two notes about 'unbalanced' battles in GBoH or really any game:
1) GBoH has a bidding variant where the players can bid rout points to play the more powerful side. Note that this might need you to actually play the battle once to get a feel for it.

2) Play the battle twice, swapping sides and total your rout points from both games.

Almost all ancient battle games will be full of scenarios that heavily favour one side or the other (even C&C:A).
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Great Battles of Alexander, no contest.

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Stefano1234 wrote:
Stefano1234 wrote:
IT does include tyrant?
I think not

How is the win ratio


If you are interested in winning percentages of individual scenarios, check out Results4GBoH: https://results4gboh.wordpress.com/
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AveryAllen wrote:
Stefano1234 wrote:
Stefano1234 wrote:
IT does include tyrant?
I think not

How is the win ratio


If you are interested in winning percentages of individual scenarios, check out Results4GBoH: https://results4gboh.wordpress.com/

Didn't know it existed, thanks for the info.
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I havn't checked on this in a while, but I believe SPQR has 4X more scenario's if you count the ones that come in C3i, which you can download all of the older ones (C3i 18 and earlier) from the C3i Archives.
So SPQR gives you more bang for the buck IMO.
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Here is my vote
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Avtomatik wrote:


I just couldn't help myself.


I thought thumbing yourself is supposed to be bad form.
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airjudden wrote:

I thought thumbing yourself is supposed to be bad form.


It aint the form mate, its the substance

But yeah, thumbing yourself just sounds wrong.

I was just showing that both games are fine^^
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kyletravels wrote:


Here is my vote


I second your vote - I also have all of the expansion for each game - I'll be playing/replaying GBoH scenarios for the rest of my days!

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Doomfarer wrote:
I think both are great games, but still prefer SPQR. Is SPQR the Deluxe version or the old one? If the old one I wouldn't pay those sums for it.


As an added comment, SPQR Deluxe includes two scenarios featuring Roman Legions against the Macedonian phalanx.
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