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Subject: Hungarian counter mix and Zapolya card rss

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How is this card of any use?! Really it would be a RARE case.
The Hungarian counter mix ensures it is useless. I can only assume that is on purpose.
If the Otts assault Belgrade, kill the one unit there and then proceed to Buda in the same turn, this card cannot be played.
If played earlier the Hungarians gain '1' regular strength point.
IF the Otts don't proceed to Buda, then the Hungarians can get three regulars, IF played in time. If played later in the game in a situation where the Haps have retaken Buda. but the odds against this having an impact are pretty low -NO? I am sure that people have SEEN it occur. but largely a lot if IFs.
 
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CDR G wrote:
How is this card of any use?! Really it would be a RARE case.
The Hungarian counter mix ensures it is useless. I can only assume that is on purpose.
If the Otts assault Belgrade, kill the one unit there and then proceed to Buda in the same turn, this card cannot be played.


Such a blitzkrieg-style attack on Buda is quite rare. The Ottoman usually wants to take Belgrade in Turn 1, and he also wants to play his HC for the event. That means a Turn 1 Buda attack is only feasible if Ottoman has at least one 4CP card or better (assault Belgrade, move, flag, attack Buda).

CDR G wrote:
IF the Otts don't proceed to Buda, then the Hungarians can get three regulars, IF played in time.


This scenario presents the Ottoman player with a problematic situation: he now has to inflict 5 hits instead of 2 in his attack on Buda in order to defeat Hungary-Bohemia. That means he should on average attack with a stack of 13 units, and it will take him a while to build that.

CDR G wrote:
If played later in the game in a situation where the Haps have retaken Buda. but the odds against this having an impact are pretty low -NO? I am sure that people have SEEN it occur. but largely a lot if IFs.


It's quite often played after the defeat of Hungary-Bohemia to add 4 Ottoman regulars. Everybody can play it, so it's good for buying interesting events from the Sultan.
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Kristian hit all the important points, but I'd like to emphasize that attacking Buda on T1 is usually suboptimal.

And yeah, Zapolya is more often played to help the Ottos, but it can be devastating for the Ottos if played before they take Buda.
 
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If you're looking for cards that rarely-to-never get played for the event, set your sights on Pirate Haven which I don't think I've ever seen played for the event. Same for Huguenot Raiders, Philip of Hesse's Bigamy and Mary Defies Council but they enter later so that's somewhat more to be expected.
 
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I see deals made for Pirate Haven to be played for the event. In fact, I am the Ottomans in a game, and I gave the Protestants a card draw for them to play it.
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requiem09 wrote:
I see deals made for Pirate Haven to be played for the event. In fact, I am the Ottomans in a game, and I gave the Protestants a card draw for them to play it.


Yeah, I've seen it done several times.
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Such a blitzkrieg-style attack on Buda is quite rare. The Ottoman usually wants to take Belgrade in Turn 1, and he also wants to play his HC for the event. That means a Turn 1 Buda attack is only feasible if Ottoman has at least one 4CP card or better (assault Belgrade, move, flag, attack Buda).


Also, sometimes they don't want to take it on Turn 2 either. Often this gives the Hapsburgs an extra card, but not the Ottomans.
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turbothy wrote:
If you're looking for cards that rarely-to-never get played for the event, set your sights on Pirate Haven which I don't think I've ever seen played for the event. Same for Huguenot Raiders, Philip of Hesse's Bigamy and Mary Defies Council but they enter later so that's somewhat more to be expected.


I'm pretty sure I've seen all of those played for the event at least once, but they're certainly rare.
 
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I've played both Huguenot Raiders and Philip of Hesse's Bigamy at WBC. Raiders probably wasn't the smartest play since there are only 2 turns for it to take effect in though, even given that the Haps put out a Colony and Conquest during the opening turn.

The only events I'm 100% sure I've never seen played are Elizabeth and Lady Jane Grey.
 
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