$30.00
$5.00
$20.00
$15.00
Recommend
 
 Thumb up
 Hide
21 Posts

Blood Bowl (2016 edition)» Forums » General

Subject: Limited Release? rss

Your Tags: Add tags
Popular Tags: [View All]
D. Patton
United States
Myrtle Creek
Oregon
flag msg tools
mbmbmbmbmb
I know rumors about GW stuff are as plentiful as just about anything. However, over on dakka there're a number of folks quoting their local GW managers as saying BB won't be doing leagues in their stores since it's only going to be out a couple months/through January.

I was kind of pumped to get a league started as the FGS but if we're already talking about core game availability limitations I may not bother.

Any BGGers have any insight into whether that's true or not?



 
 Thumb up
 tip
 Hide
  • [+] Dice rolls
Kevin Outlaw
United Kingdom
Devizes
Wiltshire
flag msg tools
The Wing Warrior - learn more at www.facebook.com/thelegendriders
mbmbmbmbmb
privateer4hire wrote:
I know rumors about GW stuff are as plentiful as just about anything. However, over on dakka there're a number of folks quoting their local GW managers as saying BB won't be doing leagues in their stores since it's only going to be out a couple months/through January.

I was kind of pumped to get a league started as the FGS but if we're already talking about core game availability limitations I may not bother.

Any BGGers have any insight into whether that's true or not?



There is no way this is a limited release.

Why would they spend most of this year teasing and posting to then sell the game for a limited run over two months?

Why would they release league rules, which include teams they haven't even released yet?

Hell, we haven't even had the dwarf team yet.

What would be the point in them planning to release over 20 teams if they aren't going to support the core game?

This sounds like nonsense to me.


Edit: Maybe this is a miscommunication? Maybe the manages are saying there won't be any leagues at the moment, because the game will have only been out for a few months by January (so everyone will be playing humans, orcs, and skaven)?
8 
 Thumb up
 tip
 Hide
  • [+] Dice rolls
Clinton Rice
United States
Chino
California
flag msg tools
mbmb
Or maybe they're confused about the fact that the first slate of offerings is coming from Games Workshop, but once this initial push is out the door, ForgeWorld is taking over with no more releases from GW proper.
 
 Thumb up
 tip
 Hide
  • [+] Dice rolls
Nigel McNaughton
New Zealand
Wellington
flag msg tools
mbmbmbmbmb
Plus the Skaven dice were quite limited.
1 
 Thumb up
 tip
 Hide
  • [+] Dice rolls
Richard Hellsten
United Kingdom
Basingstoke
Hampshire
flag msg tools
mbmbmbmbmb
Rumours I've seen was that it will only be in GW stores for a couple of months. After that it will be direct only. Still crazy if you ask me, but they have form.
3 
 Thumb up
 tip
 Hide
  • [+] Dice rolls
Clinton Rice
United States
Chino
California
flag msg tools
mbmb
I expect the Blood on the Snow board is also limited. I doubt they will be selling it next summer
 
 Thumb up
 tip
 Hide
  • [+] Dice rolls
Kevin Outlaw
United Kingdom
Devizes
Wiltshire
flag msg tools
The Wing Warrior - learn more at www.facebook.com/thelegendriders
mbmbmbmbmb
RAVENBURG wrote:
Rumours I've seen was that it will only be in GW stores for a couple of months. After that it will be direct only. Still crazy if you ask me, but they have form.


Ah, that's much more plausible.

GW aren't likely to commit a lot of shelf to the board game on a permanent basis, but that doesn't mean it's just going to vanish in a puff of smoke in January.

I personally haven't stepped into one of their stores since I was about 15 years old. I wasn't planning to start.
2 
 Thumb up
 tip
 Hide
  • [+] Dice rolls
Slev Sleddeddan
United Kingdom
Victoria Park
Manchester
flag msg tools
What part of "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn" don't you understand?
badge
Don't you open that trapdoor!
mbmbmbmbmb
It is likley that the set will only be sold in GW Shops for a few months. Likely until the first print run sells out.

They have already confirmed that the game will be supported, but they've a LOT of stuff to get out the gate. They're supporting 23 teams (not the Slann, as no minis concepts or anything yet, they may do something with them later).

I reckon we'll see a blitz of early releases, then a slightly slower pace, with a further two or three Death Zone "seasons", while they get all the teams out. Plus Dungeon Bowl and the star players and extra decks of cards, etc, that they've already said will be comming.
 
 Thumb up
 tip
 Hide
  • [+] Dice rolls
D. Patton
United States
Myrtle Creek
Oregon
flag msg tools
mbmbmbmbmb
RAVENBURG wrote:
Rumours I've seen was that it will only be in GW stores for a couple of months. After that it will be direct only. Still crazy if you ask me, but they have form.


This sounds sort of what was said on dakka. Comments were from GW store managers---and I'm like many here in either not having/not using actual GW stores.

I'm just not understanding how independents are going to keep the game on their shelves when GW themselves won't shelf stock past January or so.

Isn't Direct Only where I have to order directly from GW's online site? Or does it mean my FGS could get it for us/keep it in stock but THEY have to order from GW directly (again, that doesn't make sense to me but I buy local versus online pretty much).

If it's the former (customers directly to GW), I'm not seeing why any independent would support the game.
 
 Thumb up
 tip
 Hide
  • [+] Dice rolls
Clinton Rice
United States
Chino
California
flag msg tools
mbmb
Privateer4hire wrote:
If it's the former (customers directly to GW), I'm not seeing why any independent would support the game.


It depends whether or not the store is a GW preferred retailer, I think. Like my FLGS is a preferred retailer, and can stock and order stuff just like a GW store would. Get the same preorder discounts and such. And our store is definitely going to have a BB league. So it's the best of both worlds. Access to all of GW stock at GW store prices, a place to play lots of games (not just GW games), and no executive orders from on high to tell the store what we can't play.

If the GW stores are going to prevent/discourage their customers from playing Blood Bowl in the store, they might as well just rename it the Warhammer Store.
1 
 Thumb up
 tip
 Hide
  • [+] Dice rolls
Kevin Outlaw
United Kingdom
Devizes
Wiltshire
flag msg tools
The Wing Warrior - learn more at www.facebook.com/thelegendriders
mbmbmbmbmb
KoalaXav wrote:
[

they might as well just rename it the Warhammer Store.


That's funny. Nice one.
 
 Thumb up
 tip
 Hide
  • [+] Dice rolls
Nigel McNaughton
New Zealand
Wellington
flag msg tools
mbmbmbmbmb
KoalaXav wrote:
Or maybe they're confused about the fact that the first slate of offerings is coming from Games Workshop, but once this initial push is out the door, ForgeWorld is taking over with no more releases from GW proper.


In the Skulls and Ones podcast with James Hewitt and Andy Hoare they made it sound like it was popularity dependant. If things go great, them more items would qualify for GW plastic production runs, while items below a threshold would be FW resin runs. They'll almost be certainly using the sales of these sets to determine who makes what going ahead rather than a fixed cut over point from the outset.

http://baconwrappedskullsandones.libsyn.com/skulls-and-ones-...
 
 Thumb up
 tip
 Hide
  • [+] Dice rolls
John Middleton
United States
Laramie
Wyoming
flag msg tools
mbmbmbmbmb
They are using these sales to see if people really want the Specialist games back or not.


Sales of Blood Bowl will definitely have an impact on whether they produce the rumored new editions of Necromunda and Epic, as well as other games waiting in the wings like Battlefleet Gothic, Man o War, and Mordheim.


The sales of these rely much more on customers buying more than just a base game, like the other boardgames have. They rely on the customer wanting to make a hobby of it and then jumping into other specialist games as well.




3 
 Thumb up
 tip
 Hide
  • [+] Dice rolls
Chris Montgomery
United States
Joliet
Illinois
flag msg tools
Dear Geek: Please insert the wittiest comment you can think of in this text pop-up. Then times it by seven.
badge
The Coat of Arms of Clan Montgomery - Scotland. Yes, that's a woman with the head of a savage in her hand, and an anchor. No clue what it means, but it's cool.
mbmbmbmbmb
I can totally see a local GW store not running leagues. Especially if Forgeworld is taking over sales and production on a direct-only basis.

What is there for the store to gain? Perhaps a few fees for league night, maybe?

The real cream is in selling products to customers, which they apparently won't have in the store. I completely appreciate that. Which really puts a damper on me being involved in any sort of league play, unfortunately. Not that I have any GW stores close to me anyway, I guess. The closest is a 30 minute drive.
 
 Thumb up
 tip
 Hide
  • [+] Dice rolls
Brad P
msg tools
mbmbmb
Why should stores run leagues? There are not enough teams available for sale to make interesting leagues so you have to help customers figure out how to convert teams from other things if new sales are going to be generated. The teams boxes are also 12 models which do not align well with league teams which while sometimes stay around 12-13 players often have more positionals less lineman than in the boxes. With no boosters or big guys available for sale driven by the league play again no reason to do it.

Given that it takes a while to tool up the plastic production if it was not already planned to appear in plastics it is not coming soon enough to be in stores Jan or Feb. GW appears to be just trying to skim some cream off the top without really putting in the effort to build the game base in a serious way. If they go Forgeworld only for a lot of stuff without real store support than there is no reason to get there stuff compared to all the other great Fantasy Football mini producers.
 
 Thumb up
 tip
 Hide
  • [+] Dice rolls
K S
United States
Roseville
Minnesota
flag msg tools
mbmbmbmbmb
eriochrome wrote:
Why should stores run leagues? There are not enough teams available for sale to make interesting leagues so you have to help customers figure out how to convert teams from other things if new sales are going to be generated. The teams boxes are also 12 models which do not align well with league teams which while sometimes stay around 12-13 players often have more positionals less lineman than in the boxes. With no boosters or big guys available for sale driven by the league play again no reason to do it.

Given that it takes a while to tool up the plastic production if it was not already planned to appear in plastics it is not coming soon enough to be in stores Jan or Feb. GW appears to be just trying to skim some cream off the top without really putting in the effort to build the game base in a serious way. If they go Forgeworld only for a lot of stuff without real store support than there is no reason to get there stuff compared to all the other great Fantasy Football mini producers.


I thought this as well about leagues. My FLGS is starting a league in Jan, they had a league meeting last week to gauge interest and give info on it. i wasn't able to attend but sounds like it's going to happen. I believe if memory serves correct the current ruleset is based upon the last version of the living rulebook? I could be TOTALLY wrong (I haven't picked up the new one yet, sorta sad my Vampire Counts don't have pretty rules in there yet, I'll get it though). Anywho, my FLGS ran leagues for years then moved stores and is now back. I don't know fully if they're using a mix of rules just to have the stats/rules from the older book for other teams or not, but it's sure an option.

Now to debate if I should grab the new one or not.
 
 Thumb up
 tip
 Hide
  • [+] Dice rolls
John Middleton
United States
Laramie
Wyoming
flag msg tools
mbmbmbmbmb
joker9991 wrote:
eriochrome wrote:
Why should stores run leagues? There are not enough teams available for sale to make interesting leagues so you have to help customers figure out how to convert teams from other things if new sales are going to be generated. The teams boxes are also 12 models which do not align well with league teams which while sometimes stay around 12-13 players often have more positionals less lineman than in the boxes. With no boosters or big guys available for sale driven by the league play again no reason to do it.

Given that it takes a while to tool up the plastic production if it was not already planned to appear in plastics it is not coming soon enough to be in stores Jan or Feb. GW appears to be just trying to skim some cream off the top without really putting in the effort to build the game base in a serious way. If they go Forgeworld only for a lot of stuff without real store support than there is no reason to get there stuff compared to all the other great Fantasy Football mini producers.


I thought this as well about leagues. My FLGS is starting a league in Jan, they had a league meeting last week to gauge interest and give info on it. i wasn't able to attend but sounds like it's going to happen. I believe if memory serves correct the current ruleset is based upon the last version of the living rulebook? I could be TOTALLY wrong (I haven't picked up the new one yet, sorta sad my Vampire Counts don't have pretty rules in there yet, I'll get it though). Anywho, my FLGS ran leagues for years then moved stores and is now back. I don't know fully if they're using a mix of rules just to have the stats/rules from the older book for other teams or not, but it's sure an option.

Now to debate if I should grab the new one or not.


The stats to use most of the old teams are on the GW Bloodbowl website, and in links here on BGG.


I think GW released the leagues rules as a concession to get old fans playing the new version and into the stores and as teams are released many will switch to new minis.

There are currently 3 teams that new people can play with and they get pretty different after a few games in league play.


I think GW has full plans to release as many teams as possible in plastic.

Forgeworld plans appear to be just for specific star players and special models and if demand warrants, they could get plastics.
 
 Thumb up
 tip
 Hide
  • [+] Dice rolls
Chris Montgomery
United States
Joliet
Illinois
flag msg tools
Dear Geek: Please insert the wittiest comment you can think of in this text pop-up. Then times it by seven.
badge
The Coat of Arms of Clan Montgomery - Scotland. Yes, that's a woman with the head of a savage in her hand, and an anchor. No clue what it means, but it's cool.
mbmbmbmbmb
I wish there was more guidance on who was going to produce/release individual basic team members and their price.

My general understanding was that GW was going to handle the initial release of each team and FW would handle everything after that - star players, individual blisters, and fluff minis.

But there hasn't been any guidance on that from GW or FW.
 
 Thumb up
 tip
 Hide
  • [+] Dice rolls
John Middleton
United States
Laramie
Wyoming
flag msg tools
mbmbmbmbmb
GW never announces stuff of holidays.

The staff is gone.
 
 Thumb up
 tip
 Hide
  • [+] Dice rolls
Some will definitely be running a Blood Bowl League/Tournament.
You should just go ask if your local store will be running one or if there´s a gaming club nearby that´s gonna run one.
 
 Thumb up
 tip
 Hide
  • [+] Dice rolls
Ron Price
United States
Columbus
Ohio
flag msg tools
Hello, my baby; hello, my honey;
badge
Hello, my ragtime gal!
mbmbmbmbmb
eriochrome wrote:
GW appears to be just trying to skim some cream off the top without really putting in the effort to build the game base in a serious way. If they go Forgeworld only for a lot of stuff without real store support than there is no reason to get there stuff compared to all the other great Fantasy Football mini producers.


GW releasing anything is building the game. A source I believe on Facebook said that GW has sold 50,000 Skaven teams, and compared that to the releases of new crowdfunded teams from the "major" minis companies, which, if very successful, will sell 200-400 teams. People will buy GW stuff because they don't have to do the same degree of research to know what they're getting (the amount of confusion out there about what teams are "legal" is very high--and that's among the people who are willing to ask in forums like these), and because the prices are reasonable. If that many people are buying this stuff, most of them aren't showing up on the forums, worrying about whether they have a "competitive" team, or when they'll be able to buy official Star Player minis.

The fact is, even though many of us would like for GW to release 16-player teams on a predefined release schedule, that does not appear to be the way they do things. They never have. 3rd Edition featured 12-player teams with duplicated sculpts (and the boosters we could get were just additional copies of those), and they released them one by one.

They're certainly planning more plastics releases. They just haven't told us what they are for sure. We're fairly confident of Dwarfs in January, and Nurgle sometime after that. Given that we've seen the release of

The boxed game
Death Zone S1
The Skaven team
The Skaven dice
The snow pitch, and
Forge World Refs

in the space of a month, I'm guessing we're going to see a fairly aggressive release schedule going forward. I think we'll hear about multiple Forge World releases to go with the new teams in the first two weeks of 2017, and we'll see the Nurgle team in February or March.

I don't think that GW intends for Blood Bowl to be a limited release--the only thing they've suggested will go "out of print" permanently is the ref pack. Even the Skaven dice and winter boards are just sold out and could return if it's worth it for GW to reprint them. They may take the boxed set out of the GW stores, but if they still feature it in White Dwarf and release teams to the shops, the game will attract new players.
 
 Thumb up
 tip
 Hide
  • [+] Dice rolls
Front Page | Welcome | Contact | Privacy Policy | Terms of Service | Advertise | Support BGG | Feeds RSS
Geekdo, BoardGameGeek, the Geekdo logo, and the BoardGameGeek logo are trademarks of BoardGameGeek, LLC.