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So how about a petition to GW. If they see how wast is the fan base of this game maybe they will consider to make some expansions.
Just wondering.

Love this epic game by the way
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gymano wrote:
So how about a petition to GW. If they see how wast is the fan base of this game maybe they will consider to make some expansions.
Just wondering.

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They already have all the data they need regarding the fan base: sales data.
They don't care who signs a petition, they care who puts their money were their mouth is, i.e. who buys the game.

That being said, do whatever makes you happy. I don't see the point in creating/signing a petition though.
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gymano wrote:
So how about a petition to GW. If they see how wast is the fan base of this game maybe they will consider to make some expansions.

GW isn't like most game companies. Many game companies care about their customers, and the hobby, and about making awesome and well-balanced games.

GW cares about their cash flow.
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gymano wrote:
So how about a petition to GW. If they see how wast is the fan base of this game maybe they will consider to make some expansions.
Just wondering.

Love this epic game by the way


Although some of the art is GW loaned on license the bulk, along with designs and other FFG created content would surely still reside with FFG? Essentially neither party could use it likely, FFG because they can distribute the property without a license and GW because they don't own it.

So I think even expansions, if they were to be created, would suffer from some lack of similarity to the FFG base game even at a basic level?

Anyways to build on Haslo's comments GW also has a ton of propriety properties they fully own within the Specialist Games sphere that has been woefully neglected over the last decade that with the resurgence of Space Hulk, Warhammer Quest and Blood Bowl show that they're likely more focused on these.

They're 'easy' vs some potentially legal hack they'd have to go through with somehow continuing FS.

Lastly the game doesn't promote the models and GW is primarily a model company. So although you could replace many units with their Space Marine/Epic/BFG equivalents they are all units that would be expensive to purchase in sets outside of the game. Phantom Titans, Land Raider squadrons etc, so although willing to do some deals on their sets, I don't think they'd go quite that far.

Whilst I'd wish for more to come from FS, I think the game exists and will continue to exist only in its current form. If anything, as has been talked about elsewhere, FFG may reuse the mechanisms as they did with StarCraft to make the next game they have licenses for/own.

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heretic_dave wrote:

Although some of the art is GW loaned on license the bulk, along with designs and other FFG created content would surely still reside with FFG?


I believe all of the card and player-board illustration artwork was GW's already, wasn't it? FFG probably owns the copyright on the planet illustrations and the graphic design stuff, probably along with the border and background art and the box cover.

heretic_dave wrote:

They're 'easy' vs some potentially legal hack they'd have to go through with somehow continuing FS.


I wouldn't be that surprised if GW had insisted on a clause in the license stating that they could continue to publish the games themselves for some fee to FFG if the licensing deal were ever to be terminated. GW is a control-freak company, it's the kind of thing they may ask for and I wouldn't blame even FFG for accepting such terms to get such an attractive license. But for all the other reasons you mention, I would be very surprised to see GW publish straight-up boardgames that don't tie into one of their existing miniature games in some way. Blood Bowl is already a surprise for them, and that probably only exists because they've been republishing it for years.
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Yup, from what I read on all the fiasco about the divorce, it seems like GW and FFG didn't part in the nicest of ways.

1. GW wanted FFG to stahp X-Wing, but FFG say "No".
2. GW say "Dammit I gonna stahp renewing our yearly contract!"
3. FFG had to say "...ok" because X-Wing is a doing well (much better than GW IPs)
4. FFG planned the mechanics and wanted to release Battlefleet Gothic, but GW say NO. So FFG had to change it to SW Armada. I think FS agreement was already penned it before that, so it escaped the retheme. But of course, the expansion can't be made and Sam Bailey was released shortly after that.
5. FFG with some anger responded to FFG by creating RuneWars minis as a ultimatum to GW : "You want competition in wargaming? I'll give you competition!"

In short: GW is always, and still up to date a douchebag in trying to shut down competitors. They can always work more on self-improvement, but the top management think trying to supress the competitor is a smarter thing to do.

I think the SMARTEST thing a company should do is focus on quality, delivery, end product and listening to customers while actively marketing your products all around the world. And while you're good enough, go buy over some smaller potential companies and merge all of them to a group.

That's why Asmodee is probably the smartest player in the BG world now, they are not bothered about supressing others unlike GW.
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kazuki85 wrote:
Yup, from what I read on all the fiasco about the divorce, it seems like GW and FFG didn't part in the nicest of ways.

1. GW wanted FFG to stahp X-Wing, but FFG say "No".
2. GW say "Dammit I gonna stahp renewing our yearly contract!"
3. FFG had to say "...ok" because X-Wing is a doing well (much better than GW IPs)
4. FFG planned the mechanics and wanted to release Battlefleet Gothic, but GW say NO. So FFG had to change it to SW Armada. I think FS agreement was already penned it before that, so it escaped the retheme. But of course, the expansion can't be made and Sam Bailey was released shortly after that.
5. FFG with some anger responded to FFG by creating RuneWars minis as a ultimatum to GW : "You want competition in wargaming? I'll give you competition!"

In short: GW is always, and still up to date a douchebag in trying to shut down competitors. They can always work more on self-improvement, but the top management think trying to supress the competitor is a smarter thing to do.

I think the SMARTEST thing a company should do is focus on quality, delivery, end product and listening to customers while actively marketing your products all around the world. And while you're good enough, go buy over some smaller potential companies and merge all of them to a group.

That's why Asmodee is probably the smartest player in the BG world now, they are not bothered about supressing others unlike GW.
Source please, so far everything I've read about the split is just rumours with an obvious (and deserved) "GW sucks" bias.
Especially point 4 is directly contradictory to 3, why design a game with a 40k theme if Star Wars is selling so much better and doesn't depend on somebody who according to 1 & 2 has already uttered an ultimatum?

Fits right in with the other "GW sucks an ruined our games" rumours that are going around, but I'd still like to see a source other than "what I've gathered from other non-sourced comments".

I mean, not feeding your competitors isn't exactly something GW invented. It just doesn't make sense to partner with your competition, in any business. Two companies might have a mutual beneficial partnership but when one expands (FFG being bought out by Asmodee) and become a competitor in a different area it might not make sense anymore to share the pie with somebody who you think might take the sandwich from you.

And yeah, Asmodee aren't trying to suppress others, they just buy them out...
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X-Wing has been going (and selling well) for too long for that theory to hold much water for me. It seems far more likely that it was Runewars that broke the camel's back - or GW just noticed that their boardgames were selling better than their other business units and didn't want any competition.
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How about a joint venture between FFG and GW for all related content that they put together since 2008?
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psychopaf wrote:
How about a joint venture between FFG and GW for all related content that they put together since 2008?


That's what they had until just recently, when GW decided to terminate it for reasons that we apparently have nothing better to do than speculate about.
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Bichatse wrote:
psychopaf wrote:
How about a joint venture between FFG and GW for all related content that they put together since 2008?


That's what they had until just recently, when GW decided to terminate it for reasons that we apparently have nothing better to do than speculate about.
Nitpicking for it's own sake here: Do we even know that it was GW who terminated it or is that also just speculation?
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Ze_German_Guy wrote:
Nitpicking for it's own sake here: Do we even know that it was GW who terminated it or is that also just speculation? ;)

This. No one outside the two organisations really knows what happened. It may have been a perfectly amicable split, and lots of people are filling in the blanks themselves.

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Ze_German_Guy wrote:
Nitpicking for it's own sake here: Do we even know that it was GW who terminated it or is that also just speculation?


I thought I remembered FFG suggested it was GW that terminated it when they announced the split, but going back and reading their announcement again it's not stated explicitly. However, it would certainly be a bit odd for them to suddenly decide to cancel the arrangement themselves part-way through releasing expansions for a number of GW-themed games that they suddenly dropped. Unless there was some sudden realisation of terms in the contract that were about to kick in that they hadn't noticed before or something weird like that?

I would certainly say that all signs point to GW being the one who backed out.
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I'm sure GW will be swayed by outcry from potential customers...

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Bichatse wrote:
psychopaf wrote:
How about a joint venture between FFG and GW for all related content that they put together since 2008?


That's what they had until just recently, when GW decided to terminate it for reasons that we apparently have nothing better to do than speculate about.


Well given GW announced they were refocusing on their specialty games about 12months ago, is any of this a surprise?

The only sad part is that the divorce wasn't friendly and established product lines weren't able to get continued support.

This outcome hurts both companies customers/potential customers.
 
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I'm looking forward to the Specialist revamp - and hopefully sustained backing of product lines.

Bring on Necromunda and Epic!
 
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heretic_dave wrote:
I'm looking forward to the Specialist revamp - and hopefully sustained backing of product lines.

They'll be sustained as long as they're profitable.

In the case of Necromunda, that's not very long. It only takes a year or two until everybody has their gang together.
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haslo wrote:
heretic_dave wrote:
I'm looking forward to the Specialist revamp - and hopefully sustained backing of product lines.

They'll be sustained as long as they're profitable.

In the case of Necromunda, that's not very long. It only takes a year or two until everybody has their gang together.


Companies that continue to support unprofitable product lines go out of business. This isn't just a GW thing.
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