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Coal Baron vs. Haspelknecht. Which game do you prefer, or would recommend? Please not only vote, but leave a comment as to why you made the choice you did. Thank you.
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These are both great games. I like Haspelknecht a little better because I think it's a little deeper, and has more replay value.
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pdxloki wrote:
These are both great games. I like Haspelknecht a little better because I think it's a little deeper, and has more replay value.


Thanks for the info!

I played Coal Baron once. It was good, but nothing that wow'ed me all that much. I thought the mine shaft mechanism was nice, if a bit gimmicky. Then I stumbled upon Haspelknecht and it seemed to be a bit more interesting, plus it looks like it scratches the exact same itch. So I am essentially trying to decide between the two. I don't think I need/want both. Thanks again!
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I prefer Haspelknecht. It has more of an intricate feel to it. Coal Baron felt very polished, but I like games with some rough edges and corners left to explore.
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Both very good. I voted for H mostly because I really like the action selection mechanism better than the more traditional worker-placement (modified) system in Coal Baron.
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Well it is pretty clear which game has it. Even if the voting were closer, there are no comments in support of the votes for CB. But that is essentially what I was thinking. Haspelknecht it is. Thanks all.
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I picked "other" because I like both games for different reasons. I'm a huge K&K fan, and Coal Baron is one of their really good ones. It's a little easier to teach players who don't care for heavy decision making games. What I like about Haspelknecht, though we haven't done it yet, is the idea that the "tech tree" can be laid out in a lot of configurations and I'm very interested to see how that changes game play.

I own them both, and don't plan on getting rid of either of them.
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So how was Haspelknecht? I've played and like Coal Baron, but haven't played Haspelknecht yet. Looks to be more rules-heavy.

I'm wondering how many voters had played both. I'm guessing not many and that Haspelknecht won mainly because it's newer and has a little buzz so more have played it.
 
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I recently acquired and learned Coal Baron specifically because I wanted a worker placement in my collection that was easy to teach, light to play and a satisfying level of depth. It didn't disappoint. I wonder if comparing it with Haspelknecht might actually do each a disservice though because really they only share theme in common. No matter, I just wanted to enthusiastically recommend Coal Baron for what it is: fun!

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Bugscheese wrote:
I recently acquired and learned Coal Baron specifically because I wanted a worker placement in my collection that was easy to teach, light to play and a satisfying level of depth. It didn't disappoint. I wonder if comparing it with Haspelknecht might actually do each a disservice though because really they only share theme in common. No matter, I just wanted to enthusiastically recommend Coal Baron for what it is: fun!


This thread is a bit old, but I felt it worthy of reply. Tony is correct; to compare the two is a disservice because beyond the theme, these two games don't feel or play anything alike. Neither approaches scratching the itch of the other. To say 'I don't need both' implies similarity that is not there. I have and plan to keep both. CB is somewhat simplistic (it needs an expansion), but a really great intro game with a cool look, interesting play, and a low learning curve. Haspelknecht is a more involved and strategic game with significantly different mechanics. I think CBs weight 2.57 is over stated, while Hapelknechts 3.05 seems about right.


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MattDavisFLA wrote:

This thread is a bit old, but I felt it worthy of reply. Tony is correct; to compare the two is a disservice because beyond the theme, these two games don't feel or play anything alike. Neither approaches scratching the itch of the other. To say 'I don't need both' implies similarity that is not there. I have and plan to keep both. CB is somewhat simplistic (it needs an expansion), but a really great intro game with a cool look, interesting play, and a low learning curve. Haspelknecht is a more involved and strategic game with significantly different mechanics. I think CBs weight 2.57 is over stated, while Hapelknechts 3.05 seems about right.


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I hear ya. I guess I wasn't as clear either, and probably used the wrong reference in: "scratches the same itch". By that I meant (for me) I have no need, or desire to own 2+ coal mining themed games. I was just fishing for which might work best for me when I originally posted this.

I finally settled on Haspelknecht, because of my mediocre feel after playing CB. Unfortunately I haven't even gotten Haspelknecht to the table yet. So maybe my answer should have been ZERO coal mining themed games for me, lol. Plus if I really did want more, the Haspelknecht series I'm sure can satisfy that. Whereas, like you alluded to with Coal Baron... well is a little 'barren', as far as that goes and in need of an expansion.
 
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Lumpfuggit wrote:

I hear ya. I guess I wasn't as clear either, and probably used the wrong reference in: "scratches the same itch". By that I meant (for me) I have no need, or desire to own 2+ coal mining themed games. I was just fishing for which might work best for me when I originally posted this.

I finally settled on Haspelknecht, because of my mediocre feel after playing CB. Unfortunately I haven't even gotten Haspelknecht to the table yet. So maybe my answer should have been ZERO coal mining themed games for me, lol. Plus if I really did want more, the Haspelknecht series I'm sure can satisfy that. Whereas, like you alluded to with Coal Baron... well is a little 'barren', as far as that goes and in need of an expansion.


Coal Baron is an expansion away from being something great. As it sits, I consider it slightly more than a filler and a great intro game. Haspelknecht is just a great game, but a players game.

I get not wanting to over-load on similar themes, but you risk missing out on something really good using that philosophy. If after TicketToRide I choose 'no more train theme', I would have really missed out on some great games. ...though I have thought '...what, another train game?' on more than one occasion.

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