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This popped up on facebook. Never heard of her. Anyone know if the meme is at all accurate?

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col_w wrote:
This popped up on facebook. Never heard of her. Anyone know if the meme is at all accurate?



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She's a Christian Reformed evangelical who is not liked by many even here in Michigan. She's a huge advocate for Christian schools and homeschooling. She has a "deeply held conviction" that precious little Christian snowflakes shouldn't receive any information that might question their beliefs. Her husband ran for governor and got his ass kicked by Granholm (?). In the election she was a net negative with her "God fearing" views. She is only a good choice if you think replacing public schools with christian Madrases is a "good thing". She's a big nod to the Christian right and shouldn't even be allowed to drive a school bus let alone the Dept of Education.

Oh! I forgot her billions are from a pyramid scheme aka Amway.
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how long until "trump doesnt pick a racist but liberals still not happy"
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how long until "trump doesnt pick a racist but liberals still not happy"


I would take a qualified racist over and unqualified evangelical.


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I would take a qualified racist over and unqualified evangelical.



!!!!


Sam just went alt-right.
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I would take a qualified racist over and unqualified evangelical.

i would not but given that the way the public education system is financed already discriminates heavily against non-whites theres probably not much a qualified racist could do to make it worse
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Drew1365 wrote:
rcbevco wrote:
I would take a qualified racist over and unqualified evangelical.



!!!!


Sam just went alt-right.

looks like drew agrees that the alt-right is racist - maybe his fellow "conservatives" can follow course
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Drew1365 wrote:
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I would take a qualified racist over and unqualified evangelical.



!!!!


Sam just went alt-right.


If she's wants to discriminate against people that aren't Christian she's at the very least a bigot. I know it's a fine line but and they're both assholes and sometimes you have to pick a side. (psst I'm kninda' being sarcastic, you see I'd much rather he picked someone like Rhee to "shake things up". Rhee at least has a clue and isn't doing it to promote a narrow religious agenda.)
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If she's wants to discriminate against people that aren't Christian she's at the very least a bigot.


You just said you prefer racists over Christians.

Does that mean you're a White Power Atheist?

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-So? Most cabinet appointees are rich.
-Meh. More concerned about the next one. Lot's of people do jobs they don't have a degree in.
-Concerning but also, she is not a teacher. She will be a cabinet member and administrator. Does she have administrator experience? Near as I can tell Obama's first Secretary of education Arne Duncan only had a Bachelor's degree in Sociology. http://www.infoplease.com/biography/var/arneduncan.html
That's only 1 out of 2 people i looked up. I'm not sure what the standard for Secretary of Education is supposed to be - it's a political appointment.
-Somewhat true. She does have experience being a board member and executive leader of different educational related groups.
-Completely irrelevant
-completely irrelevant
-source?
-ok. Many on the right do. I know it's not politically correct to say that.
-So? Non-profit and profit education both have a place.
-So?
-spin. Manay have advocated for using government money to for charter/private schools as a voucher program.

A lot of these are spin items. Who gives a shit she is a rich privileged person? Christ every cabinet position is - if that disqualifies you then every top person who holds a position in government should be out.

Overall I think she does lack experience and it is appointing a person who has a very specific agenda in mind that is many Democrats oppose yet many Republicans will support.
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Drew1365 wrote:
rcbevco wrote:
If she's wants to discriminate against people that aren't Christian she's at the very least a bigot.


You just said you prefer racists over Christians.

Does that mean you're a White Power Atheist?



I also said I was being sarcastic you dork-nozzle. I prefer people who's only agenda is improving education.

http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2006/09/21/devos-and-inte...

https://www.michigandaily.com/content/devos-joins-debate-evo...
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-So? Most cabinet appointees are rich.
-Meh. More concerned about the next one. Lot's of people do jobs they don't have a degree in.
-Concerning but also, she is not a teacher. She will be a cabinet member and administrator. Does she have administrator experience? Near as I can tell Obama's first Secretary of education Arne Duncan only had a Bachelor's degree in Sociology. http://www.infoplease.com/biography/var/arneduncan.html
That's only 1 out of 2 people i looked up. I'm not sure what the standard for Secretary of Education is supposed to be - it's a political appointment.
-Somewhat true. She does have experience being a board member and executive leader of different educational related groups.
-Completely irrelevant
-completely irrelevant
-source?
-ok. Many on the right do. I know it's not politically correct to say that.
-So? Non-profit and profit education both have a place.
-So?
-spin. Manay have advocated for using government money to for charter/private schools as a voucher program.

A lot of these are spin items. Who gives a shit she is a rich privileged person? Christ every cabinet position is - if that disqualifies you then every top person who holds a position in government should be out.

Overall I think she does lack experience and it is appointing a person who has a very specific agenda in mind that is many Democrats oppose yet many Republicans will support.


You left out the part where Arne Duncan was the Superintendent of the Chicago public schools

You "points" seems to make sense only when you manage to leave out little facts like that.

The fact that many Republicans will support this singularly unqualified candidate because she will support their highly questionable agenda does say it all doesn't it. Like this

Quote:
But if Michigan is a center of school choice, it is also among the worst places to argue that choice has made schools better. As the state embraced and then expanded charters over the past two decades, its rank has fallen on national reading and math tests. Most charter schools perform below the state average.

And a federal review in 2015 found “an unreasonably high” percentage of charter schools on the list of the state’s lowest-performing schools. The number of charter schools on that list had doubled since 2010, after the passage of a law a group financed by Ms. DeVos pushed to expand the schools. The group blocked a provision in that law that would have prevented failing schools from expanding or replicating.



http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/23/us/politics/betsy-devos-tr...

So basically pushing Charter Schools even when they fail

Brilliant choice there



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rcbevco wrote:
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how long until "trump doesnt pick a racist but liberals still not happy"


I would take a qualified racist over and unqualified evangelical.


Next up!
Ben Carson as HUD Secretary. I wonder if he'll propose building pyramids to solve the food desert problem in inner-cities?


Man, the liberals keep changing the goal posts.

First, they don't want any racists. Then, they're ok with racists, but don't want 'unqualified' candidates (whatever that means because they've done all the vetting and interviews over the internet, of course).

And, in any case, they don't want evangelicals, because all evangelicals are freaks..excuse me, scratch that, "deplorables".

So letmesee:

Qualifications for Trump candidates (from the Liberals):

Racist (Yes and No)
Evangelical (NO!!!!!)
Unqualified (in their eyes) (GODDAMIT, NO!) (And we KNOW who is qualified)

Gah...this is sooooo fucked up.
 
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utoption2 wrote:
rcbevco wrote:
single sentences wrote:
how long until "trump doesnt pick a racist but liberals still not happy"


I would take a qualified racist over and unqualified evangelical.


Next up!
Ben Carson as HUD Secretary. I wonder if he'll propose building pyramids to solve the food desert problem in inner-cities?


Man, the liberals keep changing the goal posts.

First, they don't want any racists. Then, they're ok with racists, but don't want 'unqualified' candidates (whatever that means because they've done all the vetting and interviews over the internet, of course).

And, in any case, they don't want evangelicals, because all evangelicals are freaks..excuse me, scratch that, "deplorables".

So letmesee:

Qualifications for Trump candidates (from the Liberals):

Racist (Yes and No)
Evangelical (NO!!!!!)
Unqualified (in their eyes) (GODDAMIT, NO!) (And we KNOW whose qualified)

Gah...this is sooooo fucked up.



You know what fucked up? People who quote mine and don't know how to fucking read.
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rcbevco wrote:
utoption2 wrote:
rcbevco wrote:
single sentences wrote:
how long until "trump doesnt pick a racist but liberals still not happy"


I would take a qualified racist over and unqualified evangelical.


Next up!
Ben Carson as HUD Secretary. I wonder if he'll propose building pyramids to solve the food desert problem in inner-cities?


Man, the liberals keep changing the goal posts.

First, they don't want any racists. Then, they're ok with racists, but don't want 'unqualified' candidates (whatever that means because they've done all the vetting and interviews over the internet, of course).

And, in any case, they don't want evangelicals, because all evangelicals are freaks..excuse me, scratch that, "deplorables".

So letmesee:

Qualifications for Trump candidates (from the Liberals):

Racist (Yes and No)
Evangelical (NO!!!!!)
Unqualified (in their eyes) (GODDAMIT, NO!) (And we KNOW whose qualified)

Gah...this is sooooo fucked up.



You know what fucked up? People who quote mine and don't know how to fucking read.


I read about as well as the average liberal. Maybe just a little, tiny bit better.

And even if I don't, you know what I typed is right because it about as fucked up as what you wrote. And I wrote it that way on purpose.
 
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Betsy DeVos has about as qualification to be Secretary of Ed as the Bamster had to be President in 2008.
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rcbevco wrote:
Drew1365 wrote:
rcbevco wrote:
If she's wants to discriminate against people that aren't Christian she's at the very least a bigot.


You just said you prefer racists over Christians.

Does that mean you're a White Power Atheist?



I also said I was being sarcastic you dork-nozzle.


I don't believe you. You committed a "Kinsley Gaffe."
 
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utoption2 wrote:
rcbevco wrote:
utoption2 wrote:
rcbevco wrote:
single sentences wrote:
how long until "trump doesnt pick a racist but liberals still not happy"


I would take a qualified racist over and unqualified evangelical.


Next up!
Ben Carson as HUD Secretary. I wonder if he'll propose building pyramids to solve the food desert problem in inner-cities?


Man, the liberals keep changing the goal posts.

First, they don't want any racists. Then, they're ok with racists, but don't want 'unqualified' candidates (whatever that means because they've done all the vetting and interviews over the internet, of course).

And, in any case, they don't want evangelicals, because all evangelicals are freaks..excuse me, scratch that, "deplorables".

So letmesee:

Qualifications for Trump candidates (from the Liberals):

Racist (Yes and No)
Evangelical (NO!!!!!)
Unqualified (in their eyes) (GODDAMIT, NO!) (And we KNOW whose qualified)

Gah...this is sooooo fucked up.



You know what fucked up? People who quote mine and don't know how to fucking read.


I read about as well as the average liberal. Maybe just a little, tiny bit better.

And even if I don't, you know what I typed is right because it about as fucked up as what you wrote. And I wrote it that way on purpose.


fucking balls... I'll write it again and Sloooower so you can keep up.

I
do
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want
someone
who
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either
a
racist
or
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religious
zealot.

http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2016/11/bet...

FWIW
Quote Mining:
The practice of quoting out of context (sometimes referred to as "contextomy" and quote mining), is an informal fallacy and a type of false attribution in which a passage is removed from its surrounding matter in such a way as to distort its intended meaning.

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Kumitedad wrote:
galad2003 wrote:
-So? Most cabinet appointees are rich.
-Meh. More concerned about the next one. Lot's of people do jobs they don't have a degree in.
-Concerning but also, she is not a teacher. She will be a cabinet member and administrator. Does she have administrator experience? Near as I can tell Obama's first Secretary of education Arne Duncan only had a Bachelor's degree in Sociology. http://www.infoplease.com/biography/var/arneduncan.html
That's only 1 out of 2 people i looked up. I'm not sure what the standard for Secretary of Education is supposed to be - it's a political appointment.
-Somewhat true. She does have experience being a board member and executive leader of different educational related groups.
-Completely irrelevant
-completely irrelevant
-source?
-ok. Many on the right do. I know it's not politically correct to say that.
-So? Non-profit and profit education both have a place.
-So?
-spin. Manay have advocated for using government money to for charter/private schools as a voucher program.

A lot of these are spin items. Who gives a shit she is a rich privileged person? Christ every cabinet position is - if that disqualifies you then every top person who holds a position in government should be out.

Overall I think she does lack experience and it is appointing a person who has a very specific agenda in mind that is many Democrats oppose yet many Republicans will support.


You left out the part where Arne Duncan was the Superintendent of the Chicago public schools

You "points" seems to make sense only when you manage to leave out little facts like that.

The fact that many Republicans will support this singularly unqualified candidate because she will support their highly questionable agenda does say it all doesn't it. Like this

Quote:
But if Michigan is a center of school choice, it is also among the worst places to argue that choice has made schools better. As the state embraced and then expanded charters over the past two decades, its rank has fallen on national reading and math tests. Most charter schools perform below the state average.

And a federal review in 2015 found “an unreasonably high” percentage of charter schools on the list of the state’s lowest-performing schools. The number of charter schools on that list had doubled since 2010, after the passage of a law a group financed by Ms. DeVos pushed to expand the schools. The group blocked a provision in that law that would have prevented failing schools from expanding or replicating.



http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/23/us/politics/betsy-devos-tr...

So basically pushing Charter Schools even when they fail

Brilliant choice there





No that line specifically talks about education which I was referring to. I am not saying Arne was not qualified overall I merely pointed out he doesn't have an education degree or even an upper level degree - so the precedent is not unheard of for Trump to appoint someone.

I pointed out the flaws of that post yet I agree she is not qualified. But I guess because I did not whole heatedly agree with every point that picture made, I have no issue with voucher programs and pointed out the bias in the picture....I dunno...I guess the hive mind can't take discussion or nuance.

This country is really getting to the point we can't handle middle of the road opinions or dissenting opinions on anything. If I don't agree with every point your side makes I guess I am wrong. Oh and a racist.

 
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Drew1365 wrote:
rcbevco wrote:
Drew1365 wrote:
rcbevco wrote:
If she's wants to discriminate against people that aren't Christian she's at the very least a bigot.


You just said you prefer racists over Christians.

Does that mean you're a White Power Atheist?



I also said I was being sarcastic you dork-nozzle.


I don't believe you. You committed a "Kinsley Gaffe."


Fine have it your way, you don't know me from Adam so I take your criticism as a stinging rebuke within that context... OR in other words, mind addled wishful thinking.

Besides you're a Packers fan and that says a lot!
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galad2003 wrote:
Kumitedad wrote:
galad2003 wrote:
-So? Most cabinet appointees are rich.
-Meh. More concerned about the next one. Lot's of people do jobs they don't have a degree in.
-Concerning but also, she is not a teacher. She will be a cabinet member and administrator. Does she have administrator experience? Near as I can tell Obama's first Secretary of education Arne Duncan only had a Bachelor's degree in Sociology. http://www.infoplease.com/biography/var/arneduncan.html
That's only 1 out of 2 people i looked up. I'm not sure what the standard for Secretary of Education is supposed to be - it's a political appointment.
-Somewhat true. She does have experience being a board member and executive leader of different educational related groups.
-Completely irrelevant
-completely irrelevant
-source?
-ok. Many on the right do. I know it's not politically correct to say that.
-So? Non-profit and profit education both have a place.
-So?
-spin. Manay have advocated for using government money to for charter/private schools as a voucher program.

A lot of these are spin items. Who gives a shit she is a rich privileged person? Christ every cabinet position is - if that disqualifies you then every top person who holds a position in government should be out.

Overall I think she does lack experience and it is appointing a person who has a very specific agenda in mind that is many Democrats oppose yet many Republicans will support.


You left out the part where Arne Duncan was the Superintendent of the Chicago public schools

You "points" seems to make sense only when you manage to leave out little facts like that.

The fact that many Republicans will support this singularly unqualified candidate because she will support their highly questionable agenda does say it all doesn't it. Like this

Quote:
But if Michigan is a center of school choice, it is also among the worst places to argue that choice has made schools better. As the state embraced and then expanded charters over the past two decades, its rank has fallen on national reading and math tests. Most charter schools perform below the state average.

And a federal review in 2015 found “an unreasonably high” percentage of charter schools on the list of the state’s lowest-performing schools. The number of charter schools on that list had doubled since 2010, after the passage of a law a group financed by Ms. DeVos pushed to expand the schools. The group blocked a provision in that law that would have prevented failing schools from expanding or replicating.



http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/23/us/politics/betsy-devos-tr...

So basically pushing Charter Schools even when they fail

Brilliant choice there





No that line specifically talks about education which I was referring to. I am not saying Arne was not qualified overall I merely pointed out he doesn't have an education degree or even an upper level degree - so the precedent is not unheard of for Trump to appoint someone.

I pointed out the flaws of that post yet I agree she is not qualified. But I guess because I did not whole heatedly agree with every point that picture made, I have no issue with voucher programs and pointed out the bias in the picture....I dunno...I guess the hive mind can't take discussion or nuance.

This country is really getting to the point we can't handle middle of the road opinions or dissenting opinions on anything. If I don't agree with every point your side makes I guess I am wrong. Oh and a racist.



Forget nuance because that just becomes "Kinsley Gaffe" affected.

 
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Drew1365 wrote:
I don't believe you. You committed a "Kinsley Gaffe."


when Drew overhears people playing fuck/marry/kill, he immediately calls the police because he thinks he heard people conspiring to commit homicide
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galad2003 wrote:
Kumitedad wrote:
galad2003 wrote:
-So? Most cabinet appointees are rich.
-Meh. More concerned about the next one. Lot's of people do jobs they don't have a degree in.
-Concerning but also, she is not a teacher. She will be a cabinet member and administrator. Does she have administrator experience? Near as I can tell Obama's first Secretary of education Arne Duncan only had a Bachelor's degree in Sociology. http://www.infoplease.com/biography/var/arneduncan.html
That's only 1 out of 2 people i looked up. I'm not sure what the standard for Secretary of Education is supposed to be - it's a political appointment.
-Somewhat true. She does have experience being a board member and executive leader of different educational related groups.
-Completely irrelevant
-completely irrelevant
-source?
-ok. Many on the right do. I know it's not politically correct to say that.
-So? Non-profit and profit education both have a place.
-So?
-spin. Manay have advocated for using government money to for charter/private schools as a voucher program.

A lot of these are spin items. Who gives a shit she is a rich privileged person? Christ every cabinet position is - if that disqualifies you then every top person who holds a position in government should be out.

Overall I think she does lack experience and it is appointing a person who has a very specific agenda in mind that is many Democrats oppose yet many Republicans will support.


You left out the part where Arne Duncan was the Superintendent of the Chicago public schools

You "points" seems to make sense only when you manage to leave out little facts like that.

The fact that many Republicans will support this singularly unqualified candidate because she will support their highly questionable agenda does say it all doesn't it. Like this

Quote:
But if Michigan is a center of school choice, it is also among the worst places to argue that choice has made schools better. As the state embraced and then expanded charters over the past two decades, its rank has fallen on national reading and math tests. Most charter schools perform below the state average.

And a federal review in 2015 found “an unreasonably high” percentage of charter schools on the list of the state’s lowest-performing schools. The number of charter schools on that list had doubled since 2010, after the passage of a law a group financed by Ms. DeVos pushed to expand the schools. The group blocked a provision in that law that would have prevented failing schools from expanding or replicating.



http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/23/us/politics/betsy-devos-tr...

So basically pushing Charter Schools even when they fail

Brilliant choice there





No that line specifically talks about education which I was referring to. I am not saying Arne was not qualified overall I merely pointed out he doesn't have an education degree or even an upper level degree - so the precedent is not unheard of for Trump to appoint someone.

I pointed out the flaws of that post yet I agree she is not qualified. But I guess because I did not whole heatedly agree with every point that picture made, I have no issue with voucher programs and pointed out the bias in the picture....I dunno...I guess the hive mind can't take discussion or nuance.

This country is really getting to the point we can't handle middle of the road opinions or dissenting opinions on anything. If I don't agree with every point your side makes I guess I am wrong. Oh and a racist.



I just pointed out that your "no big deal" attitude is somewhat interesting given the danger this woman points out

I guess that will be the right's answers to every criticism: Hive Mind.
And no one is quashing your dissenting opinion, and if you can't handle the criticism, doesn't that make you one of those special little snowflakes the right keeps whining about when talking about safe spaces and the like?
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rcbevco wrote:
utoption2 wrote:
rcbevco wrote:
utoption2 wrote:
rcbevco wrote:
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how long until "trump doesnt pick a racist but liberals still not happy"


I would take a qualified racist over and unqualified evangelical.


Next up!
Ben Carson as HUD Secretary. I wonder if he'll propose building pyramids to solve the food desert problem in inner-cities?


Man, the liberals keep changing the goal posts.

First, they don't want any racists. Then, they're ok with racists, but don't want 'unqualified' candidates (whatever that means because they've done all the vetting and interviews over the internet, of course).

And, in any case, they don't want evangelicals, because all evangelicals are freaks..excuse me, scratch that, "deplorables".

So letmesee:

Qualifications for Trump candidates (from the Liberals):

Racist (Yes and No)
Evangelical (NO!!!!!)
Unqualified (in their eyes) (GODDAMIT, NO!) (And we KNOW whose qualified)

Gah...this is sooooo fucked up.



You know what fucked up? People who quote mine and don't know how to fucking read.


I read about as well as the average liberal. Maybe just a little, tiny bit better.

And even if I don't, you know what I typed is right because it about as fucked up as what you wrote. And I wrote it that way on purpose.


fucking balls... I'll write it again and Sloooower so you can keep up.

I
do
not
want
someone
who
is
neither
a
racist
or
a
religious
zealot.

http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2016/11/bet...

FWIW
Quote Mining:
The practice of quoting out of context (sometimes referred to as "contextomy" and quote mining), is an informal fallacy and a type of false attribution in which a passage is removed from its surrounding matter in such a way as to distort its intended meaning.

-fin-


Although I was born in Japan and, although I could probably claim Japanese citizenship, I cannot read Japanese and therefore cannot read vertically.

My apologies.

Sorry.

Thank you for your continued patience.

Oh, your post was pure bullshit. So, I took it and made more bullshit out of it--it's called leverage in business circles. I learned about it in my finance class in business school.

Dennis

P.S.

"I would take a qualified racist over and unqualified evangelical."

You used an "AND" statement in your clause above. As a programmer, that has certain implications to me. You might want to investigate those.
 
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how long until "trump doesnt pick a racist but liberals still not happy"


I would take a qualified racist over and unqualified evangelical.


Next up!
Ben Carson as HUD Secretary. I wonder if he'll propose building pyramids to solve the food desert problem in inner-cities?


Man, the liberals keep changing the goal posts.

First, they don't want any racists. Then, they're ok with racists, but don't want 'unqualified' candidates (whatever that means because they've done all the vetting and interviews over the internet, of course).

And, in any case, they don't want evangelicals, because all evangelicals are freaks..excuse me, scratch that, "deplorables".

So letmesee:

Qualifications for Trump candidates (from the Liberals):

Racist (Yes and No)
Evangelical (NO!!!!!)
Unqualified (in their eyes) (GODDAMIT, NO!) (And we KNOW whose qualified)

Gah...this is sooooo fucked up.



You know what fucked up? People who quote mine and don't know how to fucking read.


I read about as well as the average liberal. Maybe just a little, tiny bit better.

And even if I don't, you know what I typed is right because it about as fucked up as what you wrote. And I wrote it that way on purpose.


fucking balls... I'll write it again and Sloooower so you can keep up.

I
do
not
want
someone
who
is
neither
a
racist
or
a
religious
zealot.

http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2016/11/bet...

FWIW
Quote Mining:
The practice of quoting out of context (sometimes referred to as "contextomy" and quote mining), is an informal fallacy and a type of false attribution in which a passage is removed from its surrounding matter in such a way as to distort its intended meaning.

-fin-


Although I was born in Japan and, although I could probably claim Japanese citizenship, I cannot read Japanese and therefore cannot read vertically.

My apologies.

Sorry.

Thank you for your continued patience.

Oh, your post was pure bullshit. So, I took it and made more bullshit out of it--it's called leverage in business circles. I learned about it in my finance class in business school.

Dennis


So what's your opinion on having someone who is a proponent of Intelligent Design and possibly a Young Earth Creationist who wants to redirect money away from public schools into religious ones?
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