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" Trump National Security Adviser Michael Flynn Had 'Forbidden' Internet Connection At the Pentagon, Says Report (businessinsider.com) "

I'm sure all rsp finest rightwingers will be the first to agree.
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" Trump National Security Adviser Michael Flynn Had 'Forbidden' Internet Connection At the Pentagon, Says Report (businessinsider.com) "

I'm sure all rsp finest rightwingers will be the first to agree.

Never mind them: Trump should agree.
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growlley wrote:
" Trump National Security Adviser Michael Flynn Had 'Forbidden' Internet Connection At the Pentagon, Says Report (businessinsider.com) "

I'm sure all rsp finest rightwingers will be the first to agree.
The FBI said it was okay to be grossly negligent with classified documents, so nothing to see here.
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Source of the source

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Flynn broke rules he thought were stupid. He once told me about a period he spent assigned to a C.I.A. station in Iraq, when he would sometimes sneak out of the compound without the “insane” required approval from C.I.A. headquarters, in Langley, Virginia. He had technicians secretly install an Internet connection in his Pentagon office, even though it was forbidden. There was also the time he gave classified information to NATO allies without approval, an incident which prompted an investigation, and a warning from superiors. During his stint as Mullen’s intelligence chief, Flynn would often write “This is bullshit!” in the margins of classified papers he was obliged to pass on to his boss, someone who saw these papers told me.
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He had technicians secretly install an Internet connection in his Pentagon office, even though it was forbidden.


Really? How the hell did he manage that? Call the cable guy and snuck them past security? Had a physical fibreoptic cable drawn out to his window where he attached a satellite aerial? Where would this connect to if not through a pentagon switch?

I hope people realise that you cant dig up the ground near government buildings without a bunch of special permits. My office is near the European Parliament and we cant get fibre optic cable because permission is never granted to dig due to concerns over spy devices being attached to the communication cables of the parliament. I am sure the Pentagon has 10^1000 higher security standards. And before you ask - they do mask wifi and mobile connections so the chances that such a connection would be installed without proper approvals seems odd to me.
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He had technicians secretly install an Internet connection in his Pentagon office, even though it was forbidden.


Really? How the hell did he manage that?


Simple. He ordered his people to get technicians to install it - no doubt IT people already working in the Pentagon, he didn't call in the Cable Guy.

Generals can get away with a lot.
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There is an existing business class commercial internet network in the Pentagon. It's necessary for research and accessing foreign government websites. It just can't be installed in individual offices. All he would need to do would be to find an easily encouraged/intimidated network technician to run a cable from a commercial switch to his office.
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He had technicians secretly install an Internet connection in his Pentagon office, even though it was forbidden.


"Why" is more interesting to me than "how". What was it used for, what was it connected to, and so on.

OK, "What" not "why".

 
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He had technicians secretly install an Internet connection in his Pentagon office, even though it was forbidden.


"Why" is more interesting to me than "how". What was it used for, what was it connected to, and so on.

OK, "What" not "why".


To get access to websites and services that aren't blocked by the DoD internet domain firewalls.
 
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His disdain for security protocol is troubling and perhaps enough to disqualify him. I find his other actions and attitudes even more troubling. Flynn seems like the type to be a good Number 2 because he isn't afraid to call bullshit when necessary. I question his ability to move up to Number 1 if previous bosses felt it necessary to "box him in" and protect him from his own excesses.

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What perhaps most worries me about Flynn is that he buys into and believes various conspiracy theories. Trump does, too.
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growlley wrote:
" Trump National Security Adviser Michael Flynn Had 'Forbidden' Internet Connection At the Pentagon, Says Report (businessinsider.com) "

I'm sure all rsp finest rightwingers will be the first to agree.

Please post the full article. I am truly interested.

And, yes Prima Facie, I am in agreement, if true, this is really bad.

Edit: Posted too late. Sorry. Just saw the article posted.

In terms of abjectly high-handed hypocrisy, exactly how is this any worse than Donald Trump choosing Mike Pence to be his Vice Presidential running mate when Pence not only voted for the Iraq War but also has been unrepentant about having done so, especially since he continued to cheerlead the war effort long after Bush & Cheney had left office?


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growlley wrote:
" Trump National Security Adviser Michael Flynn Had 'Forbidden' Internet Connection At the Pentagon, Says Report (businessinsider.com)"
The things that some people will do to update their BGG account!!
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wifwendell wrote:
TrustyJules wrote:
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He had technicians secretly install an Internet connection in his Pentagon office, even though it was forbidden.


Really? How the hell did he manage that?


Simple. He ordered his people to get technicians to install it - no doubt IT people already working in the Pentagon, he didn't call in the Cable Guy.

Generals can get away with a lot.


In which case its not forbidden Wendell. Big difference with the Hillary situation where she did something probably just stupidly but that was forbidden. Ordering someone to install something which is transparently communicated up the chain of command is not illicit. It may be stupid, reckless and what not but if it passed the normal approval process its not illegal.
 
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wifwendell wrote:
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He had technicians secretly install an Internet connection in his Pentagon office, even though it was forbidden.


Really? How the hell did he manage that?


Simple. He ordered his people to get technicians to install it - no doubt IT people already working in the Pentagon, he didn't call in the Cable Guy.

Generals can get away with a lot.


In which case its not forbidden Wendell. Big difference with the Hillary situation where she did something probably just stupidly but that was forbidden. Ordering someone to install something which is transparently communicated up the chain of command is not illicit. It may be stupid, reckless and what not but if it passed the normal approval process its not illegal.


You're twisting yourself in circles to make this work how you want it to work. Flynn specifically circumvented Pentagon IT and security policy and had that internet link put in against the rules. It was forbidden. That's the point. If it hadn't been forbidden, nobody would care.
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I cannot see Flynn working well with Bannon. Those two together will be a total fucking disaster.
 
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And I'm just here eating Pumpkin Pie.


Getting a piece of Bourbon Pecan Pie, myself. Not much left. I gotta get some more today. Enjoy!

We disagree about a great many issues, but between this and Agricola I imagine we'd get along just fine.
 
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wifwendell wrote:
TrustyJules wrote:
wifwendell wrote:
TrustyJules wrote:
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He had technicians secretly install an Internet connection in his Pentagon office, even though it was forbidden.


Really? How the hell did he manage that?


Simple. He ordered his people to get technicians to install it - no doubt IT people already working in the Pentagon, he didn't call in the Cable Guy.

Generals can get away with a lot.


In which case its not forbidden Wendell. Big difference with the Hillary situation where she did something probably just stupidly but that was forbidden. Ordering someone to install something which is transparently communicated up the chain of command is not illicit. It may be stupid, reckless and what not but if it passed the normal approval process its not illegal.


You're twisting yourself in circles to make this work how you want it to work. Flynn specifically circumvented Pentagon IT and security policy and had that internet link put in against the rules. It was forbidden. That's the point. If it hadn't been forbidden, nobody would care.


Wendell I am not twisting anything - I see one sentence in an article that the author alleges is something Flynn told him. Its you who is being gullible here, this article seems to differ little from the one claiming Clinton assassinated 47 people.

There is no further explanation of the how let alone the why Flynn would feel the need to install an internet connection. Maybe Flynn did say that or maybe the author Dana Priest inferred it but certainly there is no way you can make me believe someone can illicitly install an internet connection in a pentagon building just like that. This requires too much physical equipment and drilling and boring to be done without it being noticed by someone. The statement without further context therefore doesnt make any sense. We can hypothesise as much as we like but this statement as it stands simply is not believable. The author seems well aware of this because he inserts this unverifiable statement amongst much milder violations:

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Flynn broke rules he thought were stupid.


Sentence framing the rest of the paragraph - yet its obvious that even the most anal rules lawyer occasionally must break rules which work out stupidly. Its a trick of the writer in this case to cast Flynn as an inveterate law breaker.

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He once told me about a period he spent assigned to a C.I.A. station in Iraq, when he would sometimes sneak out of the compound without the “insane” required approval from C.I.A. headquarters, in Langley, Virginia.


A statement that is probably verifiable but hardly high treason - its probably hard to find operational personnel that would not have left the compound occasionally without permission. The use of the word 'sneak' adds to the impression of shadiness. Possibly Flynn simply 'left' the compound occasionally without explicit permission. Sounds a lot more neutral.

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He had technicians secretly install an Internet connection in his Pentagon office, even though it was forbidden.


There - we have to infer that Flynn told him this but it is in fact not even explicitly claimed. Just context makes you feel that probably Flynn told this to Dana Priest. There has to be more context here - Flynn would quite unlikely just volunteer this without telling the journalist something on the why or even how.

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There was also the time he gave classified information to NATO allies without approval, an incident which prompted an investigation, and a warning from superiors.


Frames the previous statement again with a clear violation of the rules - there was an investigation. Obviously it didnt sink his career so either it was judged a good move or not a serious enough problem. Thus two quite likely minor foibles of Flynn are framed around an unverifiable but very serious allegation that stretches the suspension of disbelief to breaking point.

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During his stint as Mullen’s intelligence chief, Flynn would often write “This is bullshit!” in the margins of classified papers he was obliged to pass on to his boss, someone who saw these papers told me.


Again a framing paragraph - so Flynn is irreverent, big deal. This is hardly illegal or unprecedented - Patton apparently was less than decorous in his reports to high command as well. The point is that the journalist is trying to create an impression that Flynn is a loose cannon. However calling a spade a spade no matter how undiplomatically doesnt really constitute high treason. In fact personally I find it refreshing that a person in authority would have the balls to call out what he thinks is nonsense.

Just to be clear, I dont know Flynn from Adam and dont give two hoots about him or his career. I am just seeing a classic ad hominem attack - I am pretty sure Trump's administration will deserve a (more than?) fair share of criticism no need to add BS to it. Raising this as an issue in fact decreases the credibility of justifiable criticism aimed against the new administration.

A while back Moshe did the same - he listed a whole bunch of stuff with racist and misogynists remarks of Trump - all on the record. Then he added a bunch of links basically from one source - the ADF - which took two very minor points and extrapolated them to a borderline hysteric claim that Trump is anti-Semitic. Obviously Moshe never bothered to check the affiliation of Trump's son in law or his daughters' conversion. My point is that this is stupid - the hysteria around Hillary's email server was stupid - this Flynn story unless something more is put on the table is also stupid.
 
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