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Subject: D20 table to replace the token bag rss

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Bo Ejdesgaard
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Hello all

Love the game and initially loved the token bag system.
However, after a couple of games I felt there were some issues with the system. The two main reasons were that my fingers were a bit too big to take the tokens and that I felt I had a tendency to draw the same tokens frequently (not shuffling the bag properly).

So I thought about an alternate system and came up with a solution presented here:

https://boardgamegeek.com/filepage/140385/arkham-horror-lcg-...

It's essentially 4x d20 tables for Night of the Zealot campaign for each difficulty setting.
It's optimized for A4 printing. Just fold and laminate.

As I see it the pros and cons are as follows:

PROS:
1) Better randomization (if your d20 isn't skewed)
2) Easier to roll a die than grapping tokens from a bag (for me at least!)

CONS:
1) You don't get that "drawing from a bag" feeling
2) We'll probably need a specific table for each campaign
3) You have to reroll blanks

But anyway, hope some of you like it.
I've played with it a couple of times now and really like it (though I've had a nasty tendency to roll 15 at normal difficulty )

Kind regards
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Kaiwen Zhang
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http://chaosbag.retrobox.eu/
this solves your problem as well
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Have you tried a big cup instead of a bag? I am using one it works really nice...but I also really like the feel the token gives you in comparison to a die or an online app
 
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Another CON is the dead space on the die. No matter how hard to easy, you can roll the blank then need to reroll. Not a big issue, but still annoying. Someone made a app for the IPad to pick tokens, tap and get a random symbol. I plan to try that out in place of the bag
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Bo Ejdesgaard
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johncraven wrote:
http://chaosbag.retrobox.eu/
this solves your problem as well


A nice service

But I'm kind of an old fashioned gamer that prefers no digital objects when I play meeple

Added the reroll of blanks on the con list.
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Put the tokens in the box lid, hold it over your head, shake, draw.

There's many alternate solutions that don't require a complete overhaul of the system.
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Dean L
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How is it better randomisation?
 
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kelann08 wrote:
Put the tokens in the box lid, hold it over your head, shake, draw.

There's many alternate solutions that don't require a complete overhaul of the system.


Please don't say "many" without some specifics.

If someone feels they have "fat fingers" or find it difficult to pickup tokens, having those tokens lying flat on a cardboard surface is likely more difficult than selecting them from a bag. At least in a bag, the cloth can be folded so you can get you fingers on either side of a token.

What other methods do you suggest?
 
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That's why I meant "put them in a nice round bowl/cup". Then they are never lying flat around. It is easy to shuffle and should be easy to grab. There are also same nice thematic cup suggestions here in the forum. The only negative (on my part) is that it isn't thaaaat portable
 
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Tangram11 wrote:
kelann08 wrote:
Put the tokens in the box lid, hold it over your head, shake, draw.

There's many alternate solutions that don't require a complete overhaul of the system.


Please don't say "many" without some specifics.

If someone feels they have "fat fingers" or find it difficult to pickup tokens, having those tokens lying flat on a cardboard surface is likely more difficult than selecting them from a bag. At least in a bag, the cloth can be folded so you can get you fingers on either side of a token.

What other methods do you suggest?


There are many things I could offer you, but some of them are provided here in the thread.
 
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Stephane Guibord
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With all of these thread pop-ing up on how to replace the chaos token, I must be the only person who plays this game who enjoys it.

I think it's a clever way to make it different than dices and it makes so much sense on the difficulty changes possibility and even open up more option in future expansion that could introduce new tokens.
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You are not alone.

BTW: Another thing I saw mentioned in the forum was the usage of coin capsules for the tokens. I personally don't need them but for those with the bigger fingers they could be easier to pick up? (Especially from a flat surface)
 
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I enjoy pulling the tokens from a bag. It feels more fun and tense than a dice roll. Also it allows a lot of flexibility without a bunch of complexity. Especially now that I have the tokens in capsules. It gives them a very tactile feel. The coin capsule thread talks about what types to get if anyone is interested.

https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1677099/coin-capsules/page/...

That said if people feel they will have more fun doing it this way then who am I to tell them to stop.

Though it feels like your issue was more with the container you were using to draw rather than the system itself judging by your comments.
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Dean L
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I expect we've not seen the end of rules that manipulate the bag. It's an LCG, eventually I expect to see cards that break every single established rule. Adding and removing tokens from the bag mid-scenario seems a given at some point. As does a scenario where tokens aren't returned to the bag after a draw. Maybe at some point we will have scenarios that use multiple bags, or something equally strange.
 
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