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Which do you think is better and why?

 
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Which do you think is better and why?

Apples and oranges. Now, both are abstract though Samurai has painted a theme on it that Ingenious doesn't bother with. However, Samurai has more interaction, complexity, hidden but trackable information, whereas Ingenious has fewer rules and more randomness in the tile draw.

So it depends on whether you intend to play with "gamers" (then pick Samurai) or ordinary people (then pick Ingenious).
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I love both, but I think at 2 players I would lean to Ingenious. More players, Samurai.
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Of course the theme to Samurai wasn't actually painted on, but the game was developed from the theme.
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Family gaming - Ingenious.
Brainburning session with others who like (not necessary love) abstracts and really like card games, also oriental mechanism elements - Samurai.

As for me, I like both, but while Ingenious is a family classic, Samurai is simply a classic.
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    Ingenious all day. Much more interesting play, much more interesting scoring.
 
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Dearlove wrote:
Of course the theme to Samurai wasn't actually painted on, but the game was developed from the theme.


    There's no theme to Samurai, so this statement is more or less inoperable.

    The map does bear a resemblance to Japan if you look at it from a distance.
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Ingenious is easy to learn and play right out of the box. Of course, Knizia scoring makes the strategy a little harder to grasp. Samurai may have a steeper learning curve and more depth. I am more engaged when I play Samurai, but I agree about the apples and oranges remark above.
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I'm one of the crazy people who finds Samurai thematic as you are placing tiles which represent your influence of a certain type into an area and whoever puts the most related influence wins the token and those tokens determine how well you did.

I don't think either is a bad option, but I would lean towards Samurai.
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Which do you think is better and why?


?? A green sweater or brown hiking boots. Both useful but serve entirely different purposes.

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So easy...Samurai!

Ingenious was such a miss for us. The concept was great but the ending was such a bust. Sometimes it felt like there was nothing you could do to make a difference near the end and that never feels good. I'm sure it serves it's purpose for some but we had no time for that compared to other games of a similar style/weight.

Samurai is so smart but so simple. Deceptively simple! Every game I play I feel like I'm doing really good only to have someone outplay me. This is not a bad thing because it makes we want to come back for more and make better moves. It scales well to various player counts due to the different board sizes and it's a visually appealing game, at least the copy I have is.

For me, the best part of Ingenious was the unique scoring structure. Now that I own Tigris and Euphrates there is no need for Ingenious and that was the final blow that banished the game from my collection.
 
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Samurai.

Because as far as abstracts go, Ingenious is super simple to grasp. Playing the best move each turn doesn't require hundreds of plays to understand and see. What's left after that is the luck of the tile draw with just a smidge of strategy and tactics.
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Sagrilarus wrote:
Dearlove wrote:
Of course the theme to Samurai wasn't actually painted on, but the game was developed from the theme.


There's no theme to Samurai, so this statement is more or less inoperable.


A hard to justify assertion. And far from being inoperable, my statement is simply factually correct.
 
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Both of these games are incredible. My gaming group is split on this one 50/50 over which we prefer but we all like both of them.
 
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I enjoy Ingenious, but I looooovvve Samurai. Amazing game. Highly recommended. I enjoy it with the whole range of player counts. It feels very different with two, but it's still very enjoyable.

They're both available on iOS if you want to try before you buy.
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losfp wrote:
I love both, but I think at 2 players I would lean to Ingenious. More players, Samurai.


I feel the exact opposite. With two players, Ingenious seems to take a few turns before turns seem to have in impact. With Samurai, you feel the importance of every move right from the beginning. And there are a lot of people who believe Samurai is excellent, if not best, with two. Regardless of player count, Samurai is a much better game.
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Samurai, hands-down.

More interesting strategic choices and space.
 
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