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J.D. Hall
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Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell says repealing the ACA is the first item on his agenda for the 115th Congress. Donald Trump says it's a first day action. Replacing it? Probably not. It's taxpayer money, after all, that can be spent on better things ... like rewarding major donors and building bridges to nowhere in their districts.


Here's some remarks from Congress:
http://us.cnn.com/2016/12/08/politics/obamacare-battle-2017/...

And thank god the insurance companies are offering advice:
http://money.cnn.com/2016/12/07/news/economy/obamacare-insur...

Whatever respect I had for Republican Congressmen and women has vanished over the last decade. Not that I ever had much respect for them or their Democratic counterparts, but still ... be careful what you ask for because you just might get it. Well, here it is -- the opportunity to get rid of "Obamacare" ... which means "if you like your insurance and got it through the ACA, you're fucked, all 20 million of ya!" Also it means, if you liked seeing your insurance costs go through the roof every year, hey, it's back. Just don't have a pre-existing condition, or have a terrible medical condition that costs more than whatever cap insurance companies get to put on lifetime benefits, or want to insure your college kid through age 25, or think that Congress is going to do one goddamn thing that benefits people in need instead of filthy rich donors who already are raping the American economy and its workers.

Yeah, mad respect for our Congress.
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More fear mongering.
Did you actually read the articles you linked?

Basically, it's complicated. And all sides are concerned about doing it right. This is equivalent to "Obama's coming for your guns"
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http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/06/politics/mike-pence-obamacare-...
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Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said Tuesday repealing President Barack Obama's signature health care law is still "the first item up in the new year."

But Republicans are not yet in agreement about how long it will take to replace the law -- and what replacement legislation would entail.



http://fortune.com/2016/12/05/paul-ryan-obamacare-repeal-60-...

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Paul Ryan Says Repealing Obamacare Is First Priority

House Speaker Paul Ryan on Sunday said that the incoming GOP Congress’ first order of business will be to repeal the Affordable Care Act (ACA), or Obamacare.

“Well, the first bill we’re going to be working on is our Obamacare legislation,” Ryan said in an interview on CBS’ 60 Minutes.


I guess mitch and paul were "just joking" or "being sarcastic". That's the new way conservatives walk back their statements right?

Their replacement plan is to use tax deductions. Without the mandate, anyone with a serious pre-existing condition is looking at $1,000 a month premiums. How many people are going to have a high enough income to afford that or to have a tax deduction significant enough to make a difference for premiums that high? A tax deduction puts us back in a situation where losing your job can become a death sentence. If we go with a tax credit- how is that any different than the ACA except with higher premiums?

The good news is I'm hearing a delay period of up to 3 years before it's gone is a possibility.

Anyway-- isn't this what you voted for when you voted for Mr Trump? It wasn't until after he was elected that he backed off immediate day 1 repeal of the ACA.
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J.D. Hall
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costguy wrote:
More fear mongering.
Did you actually read the articles you linked?

Basically, it's complicated. And all sides are concerned about doing it right. This is equivalent to "Obama's coming for your guns"


Yes, I read them. Several times. The main takeaway for me was that they were arguing over the timing of repeal -- do it now and it goes into effect now, or do it now and it goes into effect in three years. And yes, it's complicated. And no, the Republican leadership doesn't have a real clue about what to do next. They have a lot of plans, but apparently no majority backing any one proposal. You would think that the people who spent six-plus years trashing the ACA would have an inkling of how to replace it.

Fear-mongering? The only thing they have really decided on, besides eliminating the penalty for non-coverage, is to reduce federal funding for Medicaid to the various states. How exactly does that help people too poor to afford health insurance?
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It's not a dumb move for them to make. If they repeal it now with a 3 three window before it is officially over, they are then forcing the Democrats to work with them.
 
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mlcarter815 wrote:
It's not a dumb move for them to make. If they repeal it now with a 3 three window before it is officially over, they are then forcing the Democrats to work with them.


But you'e not following the "sky is falling narrative".
 
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mlcarter815 wrote:
It's not a dumb move for them to make. If they repeal it now with a 3 three window before it is officially over, they are then forcing the Democrats to work with them.

You mean like how the Republicans worked with the Democrats to clean up some of the problems with the ACA?
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remorseless1 wrote:
mlcarter815 wrote:
It's not a dumb move for them to make. If they repeal it now with a 3 three window before it is officially over, they are then forcing the Democrats to work with them.

You mean like how the Republicans worked with the Democrats to clean up some of the problems with the ACA?


Schumer is on record saying the democrats will not work with republicans on the issue if republicans repeal the aca. And while they have the votes to repeal it, they don't have the votes to replace it. The only plans they have to replace the aca now seem to be only useful to the top 10% income group, break even for the top 20% group and range from worse to "please die now" for anyone under the top 20%.

And they all expect that
a) you are employed full time
b) your company offers insurance as a benefit

Companies go to heroic lengths to prevent people from being employed full time.

One of the major problem back in 2007 was that when you changed jobs you had no insurance for preexisting conditions for up to a year.

And many companies were dropping insurance as a benefit or cutting back the benefits while raising premiums.

And many insurance companies were denying coverage for medical events.

That's why it was a crisis back then to begin with.

Meanwhile... in a couple dozen other modern countries, they don't have to worry about this at all and it takes those countries a much lower percentage of GDP to provide care with better results in terms of infant and adult mortality.

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Republicans would probably have a much better result from fixing the ACA rather than repealing it. So would U.S. citizens.
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mlcarter815 wrote:
It's not a dumb move for them to make. If they repeal it now with a 3 three window before it is officially over, they are then forcing the Democrats to work with them.

Not gonna happen, and it shouldn't. Schumer has essentially said, "you break it, you buy it". The only thing Democrats should do is hand the GOP an anvil as they are trying to swim to safety (metaphorically speaking).

On the other hand, if the repeal with 3 year delay PR gimmick passes and the Democrats regain Congress, they will have to clean up the GOP's mess (again). Maybe they could just repeal the repeal...
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The Democrats will be playing a dangerous game if they don't work with the Republicans after the repeal. That's easy for the Republicans to spin.
 
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remorseless1 wrote:
mlcarter815 wrote:
It's not a dumb move for them to make. If they repeal it now with a 3 three window before it is officially over, they are then forcing the Democrats to work with them.

You mean like how the Republicans worked with the Democrats to clean up some of the problems with the ACA?


The Republicans didn't have an incentive to play along.
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mlcarter815 wrote:
remorseless1 wrote:
mlcarter815 wrote:
It's not a dumb move for them to make. If they repeal it now with a 3 three window before it is officially over, they are then forcing the Democrats to work with them.

You mean like how the Republicans worked with the Democrats to clean up some of the problems with the ACA?


The Republicans didn't have an incentive to play along.


And the Democrats DO?
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mlcarter815 wrote:
remorseless1 wrote:
mlcarter815 wrote:
It's not a dumb move for them to make. If they repeal it now with a 3 three window before it is officially over, they are then forcing the Democrats to work with them.

You mean like how the Republicans worked with the Democrats to clean up some of the problems with the ACA?


The Republicans didn't have an incentive to play along.


And they showed that saying no and refusing to honor the constitution works. As they sowed, so shall they reap.

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mlcarter815 wrote:
The Democrats will be playing a dangerous game if they don't work with the Republicans after the repeal. That's easy for the Republicans to spin.
It's even easier for the Democrats to spin.
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